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From: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Andrea Righi <arighi@nvidia.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>,
	Joel Fernandes <joelagnelf@nvidia.com>,
	David Vernet <void@manifault.com>,
	Changwoo Min <changwoo@igalia.com>, Shuah Khan <shuah@kernel.org>,
	sched-ext@lists.linux.dev, bpf@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Luigi De Matteis <ldematteis123@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 07/16] sched_ext: Add a DL server for sched_ext tasks
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2025 11:43:27 -1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aLoH_5TfiTGgQsb0@slm.duckdns.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250904202858.GN4068168@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net>

Hello, Peter.

On Thu, Sep 04, 2025 at 10:28:58PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
...
>   RUNNABLE:
>   1) hold both source and target rq->lock.
...
> Now, assuming you have a locking order like:
> 
>  p->pi_lock
>    rq->lock
>      dsq->lock
> 
> When you do something like:
> 
>   __schedule()
>     raw_spin_lock(rq->lock);
>     next = pick_next_task() -> pick_task_scx()
>       raw_spin_lock(dsq->lock);
> 
> Then you are, in effect, in the RUNNABLE 1) case above. You hold both
> locks. Nothing is going to move your task around while you hold that
> dsq->lock. That task is on the dsq, anybody else wanting to also do
> anything with that task, will have to first take dsq->lock.
>
> Therefore, at this point, it is perfectly fine to do:
> 
> 	set_task_cpu(cpu_of(rq)); // move task here
> 
> There is no actual concurrency. The only thing there is is
> set_task_cpu() complaining you're not following the rules -- but you
> are, it just doesn't know -- and we can fix that.

I can't convince myself this is safe. For example, when task_rq_lock()
returns, it should guarantee that the rq that the task is currently
associated with is locked and the task can't go anywhere. However, as
task_rq_lock() isn't interlocked with dsq lock, this won't hold true. I
think this will break multiple things subtly - e.g. the assumptions that
task_call_func() makes in the comment wouldn't hold anymore,
task_sched_runtime()'s test of task_on_rq_queued() would be racy, and so on.

ie. Operations protected by deq/enq pair would be fine but anything which is
protected only by task_rq_lock/unlock() would become racy, right?

Thanks.

-- 
tejun

  reply	other threads:[~2025-09-04 21:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-09-03  9:33 [PATCHSET v8 sched_ext/for-6.18] Add a deadline server for sched_ext tasks Andrea Righi
2025-09-03  9:33 ` [PATCH 01/16] sched_ext: Exit early on hotplug events during attach Andrea Righi
2025-09-03 19:44   ` Tejun Heo
2025-09-03 21:40     ` Andrea Righi
2025-09-03  9:33 ` [PATCH 02/16] sched/debug: Fix updating of ppos on server write ops Andrea Righi
2025-09-03  9:33 ` [PATCH 03/16] sched/debug: Stop and start server based on if it was active Andrea Righi
2025-09-03 14:43   ` Juri Lelli
2025-09-03 15:02     ` Andrea Righi
2025-09-03  9:33 ` [PATCH 04/16] sched/deadline: Clear the defer params Andrea Righi
2025-09-03 14:44   ` Juri Lelli
2025-09-03  9:33 ` [PATCH 05/16] sched/deadline: Return EBUSY if dl_bw_cpus is zero Andrea Righi
2025-09-03 14:53   ` Juri Lelli
2025-09-03 15:10     ` Andrea Righi
2025-09-03 15:15       ` Juri Lelli
2025-09-03 15:24         ` Andrea Righi
2025-09-03 20:05     ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-04  7:12       ` luca abeni
2025-09-04  7:17       ` Juri Lelli
2025-09-03  9:33 ` [PATCH 06/16] sched: Add a server arg to dl_server_update_idle_time() Andrea Righi
2025-09-03  9:33 ` [PATCH 07/16] sched_ext: Add a DL server for sched_ext tasks Andrea Righi
2025-09-03 19:54   ` Tejun Heo
2025-09-03 20:08     ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-03 20:41       ` Tejun Heo
2025-09-03 20:56         ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-04 20:28           ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-04 21:43             ` Tejun Heo [this message]
2025-09-04 22:02               ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-10 16:01               ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-03 21:33         ` Andrea Righi
2025-09-03  9:33 ` [PATCH 08/16] sched/debug: Add support to change sched_ext server params Andrea Righi
2025-09-03  9:33 ` [PATCH 09/16] sched/deadline: Add support to remove DL server's bandwidth contribution Andrea Righi
2025-09-03  9:33 ` [PATCH 10/16] sched/deadline: Account ext server bandwidth Andrea Righi
2025-09-03  9:33 ` [PATCH 11/16] sched/deadline: Allow to initialize DL server when needed Andrea Righi
2025-09-03  9:33 ` [PATCH 12/16] sched_ext: Selectively enable ext and fair DL servers Andrea Righi
2025-09-03  9:33 ` [PATCH 13/16] sched/deadline: Fix DL server crash in inactive_timer callback Andrea Righi
2025-09-03  9:33 ` [PATCH 14/16] sched/deadline: De-couple balance and pick_task Andrea Righi
2025-09-03  9:33 ` [PATCH 15/16] selftests/sched_ext: Add test for sched_ext dl_server Andrea Righi
2025-09-03  9:33 ` [PATCH 16/16] selftests/sched_ext: Add test for DL server total_bw consistency Andrea Righi

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