From: Philipp Reisner <philipp.reisner@linbit.com>
To: drbd-dev@lists.linbit.com
Subject: Re: [Drbd-dev] Re: drbd Frage zu secondary vs primary; drbddisk status problem
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 11:42:18 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200408251142.18807.philipp.reisner@linbit.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: </+7SE+vRTb9mi3m45Lh2qDY=lge@web.de>
[...]
> and one more scenario, which I described above and consider to be the most
> likely one... and you seem to have missed the point...
>
> N1 N2
> P --- S Everything ok.
> P - - S N1 is failing, but for the moment being just can no
> longer answer the network; but it is still able to update
> drbds generation counts
> ? - S Now N1 may be dead, or maybe not
> X - S A sane Cluster-mgr makes N2 primary, but stonith N1 first ...
> X - P N1 now is really dead.
> S --- P N1 comes back
> S - : P oops, N1 has "better" generation counts than N2
> N2 shall become sync target, but since it is
> currently Primary, it will refuse this.
> It goes standalone.
>
> Now, I think in that case, N1 needs special handling of the situation,
> too, which it currently has not.
So, the current policy is:
* The primary node refuses to connect to a peer with higher generation
counts. This keeps the data intact. This is very related to the other
after-split-brain-policy I want to make expclicit.
* Remeber the options so far: (for primary-after-split-brain)
- The node that was primary before split brain (current behaviour)
- The node that became primary during split brain
- The node that modified more of it's data during the split-brain
situation [ Do not think about implementation yet, just about
the policy ]
- None, wait for operator's decission. [suggested by LMB]
- Node that is currently primary [see example above by LGE]
* We should probabely have a second configurable policy
(loosers-data-after-split-brain)
- Keep
- Overwrite
Currently we have no clear line in regard in regard to the
loosers-data-after-split-brain.
> Currently this situation is not readily resolvable. One would need to
> first make N2 secondary, too, then either make it primary again using
> the --humman flag (N2 will become SyncSource), or just reconnect now
> (N2 will become SyncTarget).
Hmmm.
> I think we should allow the drbdadm invalidate in
> StandAlone(WFConnection) Secondary/Unknown, too.
> It would then just clear the MDF_Consistent.
For 0.7 thats is a good idea I think.
> Yet an other deficiency:
> we still do not handle the gencounts correctly in this situation:
>
> S --- S
> P --- S drbdsetup primary --human
> now, N1 increments its human cnt, N2 only its connection count after
> failure of N1, N2 will take over, maybe be primary for a whole week.
> then N1 comes back, has the higher human count, and will
> either [see above] (if N2 still is Primary)
> or wipe out a week worth of changes (if N2 was demoted to Secondary
> meanwhile).
The real bug here is that we allow the counters to become different,
while the two nodes are connected. [I have to blame myself for, allowing
patches in, I blame Lars for writing them :)]
Here is an excerpt from the
http://www.drbd.org/fileadmin/drbd/publications/drbd_lk9.pdf
Paper. [middle of Page 7]
With the exception of the consistency flag, connection indicator and the
primary indicator, all parts of the meta-data are synchronized while
communication is working. After system start the secondary node inherits the
counter values from the newly selected primary node.
PS: I really like it to have documents describing the ideas the algorithms
first, and writing the code to conform to these documents.
PS2: Sorry for the late answers lately...
-Philipp
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2004-08-20 12:52 ` [Drbd-dev] Re: drbd Frage zu secondary vs primary; drbddisk status problem Philipp Reisner
2004-08-20 13:32 ` Lars Ellenberg
2004-08-23 14:28 ` [Drbd-dev] gen_counts and primary --human Lars Ellenberg
2004-08-23 21:57 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-08-25 9:42 ` Philipp Reisner
2004-08-23 21:56 ` [Drbd-dev] Re: drbd Frage zu secondary vs primary; drbddisk status problem Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-08-25 9:42 ` Philipp Reisner [this message]
2004-08-25 10:28 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-08-25 11:30 ` Philipp Reisner
2004-08-25 13:38 ` Lars Ellenberg
2004-09-04 9:48 ` [Drbd-dev] Another drbd race Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-09-04 10:00 ` Lars Ellenberg
2004-09-04 10:18 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-09-04 10:43 ` Lars Ellenberg
2004-09-04 10:51 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-09-07 9:39 ` Philipp Reisner
2004-09-07 10:13 ` Lars Ellenberg
2004-09-07 11:32 ` Philipp Reisner
2004-09-07 12:05 ` Lars Ellenberg
2004-09-07 12:12 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-09-07 12:06 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-09-07 12:19 ` Philipp Reisner
2004-09-07 12:28 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-09-07 12:47 ` Philipp Reisner
2004-09-08 11:20 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-09-08 11:31 ` Lars Ellenberg
2004-09-08 15:11 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-09-08 15:22 ` Lars Ellenberg
2004-09-08 11:33 ` Philipp Reisner
2004-09-07 15:55 ` Lars Ellenberg
2004-08-20 14:10 ` [Drbd-dev] Re: drbd Frage zu secondary vs primary; drbddisk status problem Helmut Wollmersdorfer
2004-08-23 22:01 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
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