From: Philipp Reisner <philipp.reisner@linbit.com>
To: drbd-dev@lists.linbit.com
Subject: Re: [Drbd-dev] Another drbd race
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 11:39:29 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200409071139.29609.philipp.reisner@linbit.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040904100008.GA14645@nudl>
On Saturday 04 September 2004 12:00, Lars Ellenberg wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 04, 2004 at 11:48:14AM +0200, Lars Marowsky-Bree wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > lge and I have yesterday discussed a 'new' drbd race condition and also
> > touched on its resolution.
> >
> > Scope: in a split-brain, drbd might confirm write to the clients and
> > might on a subsequent failover lose the transactions which _have been
> > confirmed_. This is not acceptable.
> >
> > Sequence:
> >
> > Step N1 Link N2
> > 1 P ok S
> > 2 P breaks S node1 notices, goes into stand alone,
> > stops waiting for N2 to confirm.
> > 3 P broken S S notices, initiates fencing
> > 4 x broken P N2 becomes primary
> >
> > Writes which have been done in between step 2-4 will have been confirmed
> > to the higher layers, but are not actually available on N2. This is data
> > loss; N2 is still consistent, but lost confirmed transaction.
> >
> > Partially, this is solved by the Oracle-requested "only ever confirm if
> > committed to both nodes", but of course then if it's not a broken link,
> > but N2 really went down, we'd be blocking on N1 forever, which we don't
> > want to do for HA.
> >
> > So, here's the new sequence to solve this:
> >
> > Step N1 Link N2
> > 1 P ok S
> > 2 P(blk) ok X P blocks waiting for acks; heartbeat
> > notices that it has lost N2, and initiates
> > fencing.
> > 3 P(blk) ok fenced heartbeat tells drbd on N1 that yes, we
> > know it's dead, we fenced it, no point
> > waiting.
> > 4 P ok fenced Cluster proceeds to run.
> >
> > Now, in this super-safe mode, if now N1 also fails after step 3 but
> > before N2 comes back up and is resynced, we need to make sure that N2
> > does refuse to become primary itself. This will probably require
> > additional magic in the cluster manager to handle correctly, but N2
> > needs an additional flag to prevent this from happening by accident.
> >
> > Lars?
>
> I think we can do this detection already with the combination of the
> Consistent and Connected as well as HaveBeenPrimary flag. Only the logic
> needs to be built in.
>
I do not want to "misuse" the Consistent Bit for this.
!Consistent .... means that we are in the middle of a sync.
= data is not usable at all.
Fenced .... our data is 100% okay, but not the latest copy.
> Most likely right after connection loss the Primary should blocks for a
> configurable (default: infinity?) amount of time before giving end_io
> events back to the upper layer.
> We then need to be able to tell it to resume operation (we can do this,
> as soon as we took precautions to prevent the Secondary to become
> Primary without being forced or resynced before).
>
> Or, if the cluster decides to do so, the Secondary has time to STONITH
> the Primary (while that is still blocking) and take over.
>
> I want to include a timeout, so the cluster manager don't need to
> know about "peer is dead" notification, it only needs to know about
> STONITH.
I see. Makes sense, but on the other hand STONITH (more genral:
FENCING) might fail, as LMB points out in one of the other mails.
-> We should probabely _not_ offer a timeout here, as soon as
"on-disconnect freeze_io;" is set, it is freezed forever.
Or it gets a "drbdadm resume-io r0" from the cluster manager.
> Maybe we want to introduce this functionality as a new wire protocoll,
> or only in proto C.
>
I see it controled by the
"on-disconnect freeze_io;" option.
For N2 we need a "drbdadm fence-off r0" command and for N1 we need
a "drbdadm resume-io r0".
* The fenced bit gets cleard when the resync is finished.
* A node refuses to become primary when the fenced bit is set.
* "drbdadm -- --do-what-I-say primary r0" overrules (and cleares?)
the fenced bit
To be defined: What should we do at node startup with the fenced bit.
(At least display it at the user-dialog)
-philipp
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2004-08-20 12:52 ` [Drbd-dev] Re: drbd Frage zu secondary vs primary; drbddisk status problem Philipp Reisner
2004-08-20 13:32 ` Lars Ellenberg
2004-08-23 14:28 ` [Drbd-dev] gen_counts and primary --human Lars Ellenberg
2004-08-23 21:57 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-08-25 9:42 ` Philipp Reisner
2004-08-23 21:56 ` [Drbd-dev] Re: drbd Frage zu secondary vs primary; drbddisk status problem Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-08-25 9:42 ` Philipp Reisner
2004-08-25 10:28 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-08-25 11:30 ` Philipp Reisner
2004-08-25 13:38 ` Lars Ellenberg
2004-09-04 9:48 ` [Drbd-dev] Another drbd race Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-09-04 10:00 ` Lars Ellenberg
2004-09-04 10:18 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-09-04 10:43 ` Lars Ellenberg
2004-09-04 10:51 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-09-07 9:39 ` Philipp Reisner [this message]
2004-09-07 10:13 ` Lars Ellenberg
2004-09-07 11:32 ` Philipp Reisner
2004-09-07 12:05 ` Lars Ellenberg
2004-09-07 12:12 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-09-07 12:06 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-09-07 12:19 ` Philipp Reisner
2004-09-07 12:28 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-09-07 12:47 ` Philipp Reisner
2004-09-08 11:20 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-09-08 11:31 ` Lars Ellenberg
2004-09-08 15:11 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-09-08 15:22 ` Lars Ellenberg
2004-09-08 11:33 ` Philipp Reisner
2004-09-07 15:55 ` Lars Ellenberg
2004-08-20 14:10 ` [Drbd-dev] Re: drbd Frage zu secondary vs primary; drbddisk status problem Helmut Wollmersdorfer
2004-08-23 22:01 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
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