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From: "Ville Syrjälä" <ville.syrjala@linux.intel.com>
To: "Yang, Fei" <fei.yang@intel.com>
Cc: Chris Wilson <chris.p.wilson@linux.intel.com>,
	"intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org"
	<intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	"Roper, Matthew D" <matthew.d.roper@intel.com>,
	"dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org"
	<dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>
Subject: Re: [Intel-gfx] [PATCH 5/7] drm/i915: use pat_index instead of cache_level
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2023 20:14:40 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZCsJgNB1XY1yuq7Y@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR11MB25675C7C3491973BB79379E29A929@BYAPR11MB2567.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

On Mon, Apr 03, 2023 at 04:57:21PM +0000, Yang, Fei wrote:
> > Subject: Re: [PATCH 5/7] drm/i915: use pat_index instead of cache_level
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 31, 2023 at 11:38:28PM -0700, fei.yang@intel.com wrote:
> >> From: Fei Yang <fei.yang@intel.com>
> >> 
> >> Currently the KMD is using enum i915_cache_level to set caching policy for
> >> buffer objects. This is flaky because the PAT index which really controls
> >> the caching behavior in PTE has far more levels than what's defined in the
> >> enum.
> >
> > Then just add more enum values.
> 
> That would be really messy because PAT index is platform dependent, you would
> have to maintain many tables for the the translation.
> 
> > 'pat_index' is absolutely meaningless to the reader, it's just an
> > arbitrary number. Whereas 'cache_level' conveys how the thing is
> > actually going to get used and thus how the caches should behave.
> 
> By design UMD's understand PAT index. Both UMD and KMD should stand on the
> same ground, the Bspec, to avoid any potential ambiguity.
> 
> >> In addition, the PAT index is platform dependent, having to translate
> >> between i915_cache_level and PAT index is not reliable,
> >
> >If it's not realiable then the code is clearly broken.
> 
> Perhaps the word "reliable" is a bit confusing here. What I really meant to
> say is 'difficult to maintain', or 'error-prone'.
> 
> >> and makes the code more complicated.
> >
> > You have to translate somewhere anyway. Looks like you're now adding
> > translations the other way (pat_index->cache_level). How is that better?
> 
> No, there is no pat_index->cache_level translation.

i915_gem_object_has_cache_level() is exactly that. And that one
does look actually fragile since it assumes only one PAT index
maps to each cache level. So if the user picks any other pat_index
anything using i915_gem_object_has_cache_level() is likely to
do the wrong thing.

If we do switch to pat_index then I think cache_level should
be made a purely uapi concept, and all the internal code should
instead be made to query various aspects of the caching behaviour
of the current pat_index (eg. is LLC caching enabled, and thus
do I need to clflush?).

-- 
Ville Syrjälä
Intel

  reply	other threads:[~2023-04-03 17:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-04-01  6:38 [Intel-gfx] [PATCH 0/7] drm/i915/mtl: Define MOCS and PAT tables for MTL fei.yang
2023-04-01  6:38 ` [Intel-gfx] [PATCH 1/7] " fei.yang
2023-04-03 12:50   ` Jani Nikula
2023-04-06  8:16     ` Andi Shyti
2023-04-06 18:22       ` Yang, Fei
2023-04-06  8:28   ` Das, Nirmoy
2023-04-06 14:55     ` Yang, Fei
2023-04-06 18:13       ` Das, Nirmoy
2023-04-01  6:38 ` [Intel-gfx] [PATCH 2/7] drm/i915/mtl: workaround coherency issue for Media fei.yang
2023-04-01  6:38 ` [Intel-gfx] [PATCH 3/7] drm/i915/mtl: end support for set caching ioctl fei.yang
2023-04-01  6:38 ` [Intel-gfx] [PATCH 4/7] drm/i915: preparation for using PAT index fei.yang
2023-04-01  6:38 ` [Intel-gfx] [PATCH 5/7] drm/i915: use pat_index instead of cache_level fei.yang
2023-04-03 14:50   ` Ville Syrjälä
2023-04-03 16:57     ` Yang, Fei
2023-04-03 17:14       ` Ville Syrjälä [this message]
2023-04-03 19:39         ` Yang, Fei
2023-04-03 19:52           ` Ville Syrjälä
2023-04-06  6:28             ` Yang, Fei
2023-04-01  6:38 ` [Intel-gfx] [PATCH 6/7] drm/i915: make sure correct pte encode is used fei.yang
2023-04-01  6:38 ` [Intel-gfx] [PATCH 7/7] drm/i915: Allow user to set cache at BO creation fei.yang
2023-04-03 16:02   ` Ville Syrjälä
2023-04-03 16:35     ` Matt Roper
2023-04-03 16:48       ` Ville Syrjälä
2023-04-04 22:15         ` Kenneth Graunke
2023-04-04  7:29   ` Lionel Landwerlin
2023-04-04 16:04     ` Yang, Fei
2023-04-05  7:45       ` Lionel Landwerlin
2023-04-05 20:26         ` Jordan Justen
2023-04-10  8:23           ` Jordan Justen
2023-04-13 20:49             ` Yang, Fei
2023-04-05 23:06         ` Yang, Fei
2023-04-06  9:11   ` Matthew Auld
2023-04-01  7:03 ` [Intel-gfx] ✗ Fi.CI.CHECKPATCH: warning for drm/i915/mtl: Define MOCS and PAT tables for MTL Patchwork
2023-04-01  7:03 ` [Intel-gfx] ✗ Fi.CI.SPARSE: " Patchwork
2023-04-01  7:20 ` [Intel-gfx] ✗ Fi.CI.BAT: failure " Patchwork

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