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From: Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>
To: Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>
Cc: "Wang, Zhenyu Z" <zhenyu.z.wang@intel.com>,
	"intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org"
	<intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	"Barnes, Jesse" <jesse.barnes@intel.com>,
	Jeremy Bush <contractfrombelow@gmail.com>,
	Christopher White <c.white@pulseforce.com>,
	"Bossart, Pierre-louis" <pierre-louis.bossart@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5] drm/i915: pass ELD to HDMI/DP audio driver
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 11:17:11 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <s5hy5vn7yl4.wl%tiwai@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20111111092421.GA6092@localhost>

At Fri, 11 Nov 2011 17:24:21 +0800,
Wu Fengguang wrote:
> 
> On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 04:49:57PM +0800, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> > At Fri, 11 Nov 2011 16:22:41 +0800,
> > Wu Fengguang wrote:
> > > 
> > > On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 03:40:37PM +0800, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> > > > At Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:29:25 +0800,
> > > > Wu Fengguang wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 10:28:19PM +0800, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> > > > > > At Thu, 10 Nov 2011 21:51:50 +0800,
> > > > > > Wu Fengguang wrote:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > So maybe the hardware is in some state that is unable to provide the
> > > > > > > > > > > real ELD content?
> > > > > > > > > > That's my guess as well. I think the hardware may still be doing some 
> > > > > > > > > > form of data negotiation with the HDMI display device at that stage, and 
> > > > > > > > > > doesn't have the copy of the EDID+ELD buffer until a tiny bit later. 
> > > > > > > > > > Possibly?
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Look at the below dmesg. The ELD seem to available immediately after the DPMS
> > > > > > > > > state setting..
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Interesting.  Does HDMI audio work at all while HDMI DPMS off?
> > > > > > > > It clears SDVO_ENABLE bit, so this might turn off both video and
> > > > > > > > audio?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > We normally see transient blank screen and silence of audio when
> > > > > > > switching the video mode.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Well, what I suspected is that ELD won't be transferred while
> > > > > > SDVO_ENABLE is cleared.
> > > > > 
> > > > > It's not about SDVO_ENABLE. The transient ELD invalid state I see in
> > > > > dmesg is caused by the graphics driver doing
> > > > > 
> > > > >         ELD_Valid = 0           => trigger 1st unsolicited event
> > > > 
> > > > But why this triggers at *plugging*?  Wasn't it zero beforehand?
> > > > If I understand correctly, changing AUD_CNTL_ST register triggers the
> > > > HD-audio codec unsol event.  Writing even the same value matters?
> > > 
> > > Sorry I assumed the "mode switching" context.
> > 
> > Ah, I see.  But this could be suppressed by your patch
> >    drm/i915: don't trigger hotplug events on unchanged ELD
> > no?
> 
> Mostly. The ELD may still change if the mode switching changes the
> av-sync-delay field, or suppresses the bandwidth available to audio
> samples.

OK, that's possible.

> > (snip)
> > > > > Depending on the timing, the 1st unsolicited event may see
> > > > > ELD_Valid=0 (if it's fast enough) or ELD_Valid=1 (if the event
> > > > > handling is delayed after the graphics driver sets ELD_Valid=1).
> > > > > 
> > > > > I know that because I literally saw both cases happening in dmesg.
> > > > > The 1st hot plug event itself will send ELD_Valid=0, however the audio
> > > > > driver is not trusting this and always do a status query (the HDMI
> > > > > status line) whose result depends on the timing.
> > > > 
> > > > The problem in this procedure is that this looks as if you are
> > > > re-connecting the HDMI from the audio-codec POV.
> > > 
> > > The re-connecting events can be distinguished from the
> > > video-mode-switching events by the Presence_Detect bit.
> > 
> > Hm, OK, so the codec driver can simply ignore (or postpone) the case
> > when the connection is kept but ELD is invalidated.
> 
> Yes.
> 
> > > Here is one hot removal event (I just wrote a patch to trigger this),
> > > with Presence_Detect=0:
> > 
> > One note that we don't rely on PD bit because not all (non-Intel)
> > hardware report it correctly.
> 
> Oops. Do you imply ELDV is reliable on all platforms? ;-)

Oh hell, no :)
The driver tries to probe explicitly via GET_PIN_SENSE HD-audio verb.


> > > [   91.777028] [drm:ironlake_write_eld], ELD on pipe B 
> > > [   91.778561] HDMI hot plug event: Codec=3 Pin=6 Presence_Detect=0 ELD_Valid=1
> > > [   91.783078] HDMI status: Codec=3 Pin=6 Presence_Detect=0 ELD_Valid=0
> > > [   91.783083] [drm:ironlake_write_eld], Audio directed to unknown port
> > > [   91.783095] [drm:output_poll_execute], [CONNECTOR:12:HDMI-A-2] status updated from 1 to 2
> > > 
> > > The HDA spec even mentioned doing some timeout mechanism for the
> > > "Presence_Detect=1 ELD_Valid=0" state. Well it may help some corner
> > > cases, but perhaps not an urgent feature.
> > 
> > Yeah, this sounds like the workaround for such a case.
> 
> Yeah, your mentioned DVI case may be always in state
> 
>         "Presence_Detect=1 ELD_Valid=0"
> 
> where audio playback should be denied.
> 
> And there might be the error case that the 2nd event is lost or not
> generated at all for changing
> 
>         "Presence_Detect=1 ELD_Valid=0"
> to
>         "Presence_Detect=1 ELD_Valid=1"
> 
> > > > We might end up with some delayed probe with a dedicated work_struct
> > > > (because it's bad to have a too long delay in unsol event handler
> > > >  that run on a single workq).
> > > 
> > > Understand. What if the graphics driver can delay the ELD writing (I
> > > can try that), so that the audio driver only need to wait for
> > > something like 10ms? 
> > 
> > Or, we can introduce a dirty flag, and set it when ELD is changed,
> > but don't prase ELD contents yet.  First upon the next access, the
> > driver updates the status, and clear the dirty flag.  We may put a
> > small delay at this update, too.
> 
> It should work fine for "cat /proc/asound/card0/eld*" and other
> interfaces, however it could still delay the printks' significantly.

Well, this reminds me of another question -- do we need these printks
unconditionally?

> And it feels not good that accessing ELD may be blocked for some time..

Understood.

> So I now prefer to avoid the msleep totally and schedule a delayed
> work for parsing ELD.

OK, let me know if you have some test material.


thanks,

Takashi

  reply	other threads:[~2011-11-11 10:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-09-02  8:14 [PATCH v4] drm/i915: pass ELD to HDMI/DP audio driver Wu Fengguang
2011-09-02  8:29 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-09-03 21:15 ` [PATCH v5] " Wu Fengguang
2011-09-04 10:57   ` James Cloos
2011-09-05  1:19     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-09-04 11:11   ` [Intel-gfx] " Paul Menzel
2011-09-05  1:06     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-09-04 12:08   ` Chris Wilson
2011-09-05  1:14     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-09-05 11:04       ` Chris Wilson
2011-09-05 12:31         ` Wu Fengguang
     [not found]           ` <4E64C41B.5090309@pulseforce.com>
     [not found]             ` <20110905124730.GB794@localhost>
     [not found]               ` <4EA82DBD.9020301@pulseforce.com>
2011-10-27 19:57                 ` Christopher White
2011-11-09  6:59                   ` Wu Fengguang
2011-11-09  9:00                     ` Christopher White
2011-11-09  9:30                       ` Christopher White
2011-11-09 13:01                         ` Wu Fengguang
     [not found]                 ` <4EA9B6EF.9040305@pulseforce.com>
2011-11-01 11:36                   ` Wu Fengguang
2011-11-01 17:00                     ` Christopher White
2011-11-02  1:45                       ` Wu Fengguang
2011-11-02  6:10                         ` Sander Jansen
2011-11-02  7:35                           ` Paul Menzel
2011-11-02 11:17                             ` Sander Jansen
2011-11-02 14:26                               ` Sander Jansen
2011-11-02  8:52                           ` Wu Fengguang
2011-11-02 17:41                             ` Keith Packard
2011-11-04  0:21                         ` Tony Olivo
2011-11-05  0:20                         ` Christopher White
2011-11-09 13:12                           ` Wu Fengguang
2011-11-10  2:25                             ` Christopher White
2011-11-10  3:27                               ` Wu Fengguang
2011-11-10  4:10                                 ` Christopher White
2011-11-10  7:06                                   ` Wu Fengguang
2011-11-10  7:33                                   ` Wu Fengguang
2011-11-10  7:55                                     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-11-10  8:50                                       ` Wu Fengguang
2011-11-10  8:55                                       ` Christopher White
2011-11-10 11:00                                         ` Christopher White
2011-11-10 11:22                                           ` Takashi Iwai
2011-11-10 11:50                                             ` Christopher White
2011-11-10 11:53                                               ` Takashi Iwai
2011-11-10 12:39                                                 ` Christopher White
2011-11-10 13:01                                                   ` Takashi Iwai
2011-11-10 12:56                                               ` Wu Fengguang
2011-11-10 13:01                                                 ` Christopher White
2011-11-10 13:17                                                   ` Wu Fengguang
2011-11-10 13:34                                                     ` Christopher White
2011-11-10 13:47                                                       ` Wu Fengguang
2011-11-10 14:12                                                         ` Wu Fengguang
2011-11-10 13:41                                                     ` Takashi Iwai
2011-11-10 13:51                                                       ` Wu Fengguang
2011-11-10 13:53                                                         ` Wu Fengguang
2011-11-10 14:28                                                         ` Takashi Iwai
2011-11-11  2:29                                                           ` Wu Fengguang
2011-11-11  7:40                                                             ` Takashi Iwai
2011-11-11  8:22                                                               ` Wu Fengguang
2011-11-11  8:49                                                                 ` Takashi Iwai
2011-11-11  9:24                                                                   ` Wu Fengguang
2011-11-11 10:17                                                                     ` Takashi Iwai [this message]
2011-11-11 11:12                                                                       ` Wu Fengguang
2011-11-11 11:23                                                                         ` Takashi Iwai
2011-11-11 11:32                                                                           ` Wu Fengguang
2011-11-12  2:27                                                                   ` Wu Fengguang
2011-11-14  9:45                                                                     ` Takashi Iwai
2011-11-14 13:25                                                                       ` Wu Fengguang
2011-11-15 17:18                                                                         ` Purushothaman, Vijay A
2011-11-10  6:59                               ` Wu Fengguang

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