More frequent kexec-tools releases

More frequent kexec-tools releases

[Vivek Goyal]

Hi All,

Just now we were discussing that fedora kexec-tools should rebase to
upstream kexec-tools every release so that we can test the latest code
sooner.

Then Dave Young pulled in some data about the kexec-tools release
duration.

Date:   Tue Mar 19 10:46:46 2013 +0900
    kexec-tools 2.0.4 ~100 commits

Date:   Mon Jan 16 09:15:25 2012 +1100
    kexec-tools 2.0.3 ~100 commits

Date:   Thu Jul 29 13:40:00 2010 +0900
    kexec-tools 2.0.2 ~80 commits

Date:   Thu Aug 13 09:28:08 2009 +1000
    kexec-tools 2.0.1 ~60 commits

Date:   Sat Jul 19 10:31:30 2008 +1000
    kexec-tools 2.0.0

So that is 5 release in 5.5 years. It is roughly 1 release per year.

I am wondering if there is any interest in more frequent releases of
kexec-tools. Say every 3 months or every 6 months.

IMHO, it might be better if there are more frequent release of kexec-tools
(say a release every 6 months) and then every 6 months distributions
should be able to rebase to that new release.

Thoughts?

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Re: More frequent kexec-tools releases

[Zhang Yanfei]

Hello

On 01/29/2014 02:40 AM, Vivek Goyal wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> Just now we were discussing that fedora kexec-tools should rebase to
> upstream kexec-tools every release so that we can test the latest code
> sooner.
> 
> Then Dave Young pulled in some data about the kexec-tools release
> duration.
> 
> Date:   Tue Mar 19 10:46:46 2013 +0900
>     kexec-tools 2.0.4 ~100 commits
> 
> Date:   Mon Jan 16 09:15:25 2012 +1100
>     kexec-tools 2.0.3 ~100 commits
> 
> Date:   Thu Jul 29 13:40:00 2010 +0900
>     kexec-tools 2.0.2 ~80 commits
> 
> Date:   Thu Aug 13 09:28:08 2009 +1000
>     kexec-tools 2.0.1 ~60 commits
> 
> Date:   Sat Jul 19 10:31:30 2008 +1000
>     kexec-tools 2.0.0
> 
> So that is 5 release in 5.5 years. It is roughly 1 release per year.
> 
> I am wondering if there is any interest in more frequent releases of
> kexec-tools. Say every 3 months or every 6 months.
> 
> IMHO, it might be better if there are more frequent release of kexec-tools
> (say a release every 6 months) and then every 6 months distributions
> should be able to rebase to that new release.
> 
> Thoughts?

Agreed. Sometimes, important changes in the kernel side will lead to the change
in the kexec-tools, so especially in this case, I think it might be better
to release a new version asap.

> 
> Thanks
> Vivek
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Re: More frequent kexec-tools releases

[Vivek Goyal]

On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 09:36:38AM +0800, Zhang Yanfei wrote:
> Hello
> 
> On 01/29/2014 02:40 AM, Vivek Goyal wrote:
> > Hi All,
> > 
> > Just now we were discussing that fedora kexec-tools should rebase to
> > upstream kexec-tools every release so that we can test the latest code
> > sooner.
> > 
> > Then Dave Young pulled in some data about the kexec-tools release
> > duration.
> > 
> > Date:   Tue Mar 19 10:46:46 2013 +0900
> >     kexec-tools 2.0.4 ~100 commits
> > 
> > Date:   Mon Jan 16 09:15:25 2012 +1100
> >     kexec-tools 2.0.3 ~100 commits
> > 
> > Date:   Thu Jul 29 13:40:00 2010 +0900
> >     kexec-tools 2.0.2 ~80 commits
> > 
> > Date:   Thu Aug 13 09:28:08 2009 +1000
> >     kexec-tools 2.0.1 ~60 commits
> > 
> > Date:   Sat Jul 19 10:31:30 2008 +1000
> >     kexec-tools 2.0.0
> > 
> > So that is 5 release in 5.5 years. It is roughly 1 release per year.
> > 
> > I am wondering if there is any interest in more frequent releases of
> > kexec-tools. Say every 3 months or every 6 months.
> > 
> > IMHO, it might be better if there are more frequent release of kexec-tools
> > (say a release every 6 months) and then every 6 months distributions
> > should be able to rebase to that new release.
> > 
> > Thoughts?
> 
> Agreed. Sometimes, important changes in the kernel side will lead to the change
> in the kexec-tools, so especially in this case, I think it might be better
> to release a new version asap.

One example is recent support of kexec on EFI systems. These changes went
into 3.13 kernel as well as kexec-tools.

Simon what do you think? A kexec-tools release every 4 months or every
6 months. Does it make sense to you? 

Thanks
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Re: More frequent kexec-tools releases

[Khalid Aziz]

On Tue, 2014-01-28 at 13:40 -0500, Vivek Goyal wrote:
> I am wondering if there is any interest in more frequent releases of
> kexec-tools. Say every 3 months or every 6 months.

Yes, that will be good. I maintain the kexec-tools package for Debian
and I often find myself backporting fixes from git into Debian package
as users find bugs that are already fixed in upstream. Being able to
update the entire package to new release with all accumulated bugfixes
periodically will be helpful.

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Re: More frequent kexec-tools releases

[Vivek Goyal]

On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 09:46:33AM -0700, Khalid Aziz wrote:
> On Tue, 2014-01-28 at 13:40 -0500, Vivek Goyal wrote:
> > I am wondering if there is any interest in more frequent releases of
> > kexec-tools. Say every 3 months or every 6 months.
> 
> Yes, that will be good. I maintain the kexec-tools package for Debian
> and I often find myself backporting fixes from git into Debian package
> as users find bugs that are already fixed in upstream. Being able to
> update the entire package to new release with all accumulated bugfixes
> periodically will be helpful.

Agreed. If we have more frequent releases of kexec-tools, then
distributions can easily rebase to newer releases more frequently and
that will reduce the overhead of cherry-picking and backporting fixes.

Also it allows distribution users to test new features sooner. For example,
kexec support on EFI systems. In worst case, a distribution user will have
to wait for an year or more before a release happens and user can test this
feature. And this is true for any feature which is introduced in kexec-tools.

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Re: More frequent kexec-tools releases

[Simon Horman]

On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 09:23:11AM -0500, Vivek Goyal wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 09:36:38AM +0800, Zhang Yanfei wrote:
> > Hello
> > 
> > On 01/29/2014 02:40 AM, Vivek Goyal wrote:
> > > Hi All,
> > > 
> > > Just now we were discussing that fedora kexec-tools should rebase to
> > > upstream kexec-tools every release so that we can test the latest code
> > > sooner.
> > > 
> > > Then Dave Young pulled in some data about the kexec-tools release
> > > duration.
> > > 
> > > Date:   Tue Mar 19 10:46:46 2013 +0900
> > >     kexec-tools 2.0.4 ~100 commits
> > > 
> > > Date:   Mon Jan 16 09:15:25 2012 +1100
> > >     kexec-tools 2.0.3 ~100 commits
> > > 
> > > Date:   Thu Jul 29 13:40:00 2010 +0900
> > >     kexec-tools 2.0.2 ~80 commits
> > > 
> > > Date:   Thu Aug 13 09:28:08 2009 +1000
> > >     kexec-tools 2.0.1 ~60 commits
> > > 
> > > Date:   Sat Jul 19 10:31:30 2008 +1000
> > >     kexec-tools 2.0.0
> > > 
> > > So that is 5 release in 5.5 years. It is roughly 1 release per year.
> > > 
> > > I am wondering if there is any interest in more frequent releases of
> > > kexec-tools. Say every 3 months or every 6 months.
> > > 
> > > IMHO, it might be better if there are more frequent release of kexec-tools
> > > (say a release every 6 months) and then every 6 months distributions
> > > should be able to rebase to that new release.
> > > 
> > > Thoughts?
> > 
> > Agreed. Sometimes, important changes in the kernel side will lead to the change
> > in the kexec-tools, so especially in this case, I think it might be better
> > to release a new version asap.
> 
> One example is recent support of kexec on EFI systems. These changes went
> into 3.13 kernel as well as kexec-tools.
> 
> Simon what do you think? A kexec-tools release every 4 months or every
> 6 months. Does it make sense to you? 

Perhaps we could aim for every second kernel release and see how that goes?

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Re: More frequent kexec-tools releases

[Vivek Goyal]

On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 02:23:04PM +0900, Simon Horman wrote:

[..]
> > Simon what do you think? A kexec-tools release every 4 months or every
> > 6 months. Does it make sense to you? 
> 
> Perhaps we could aim for every second kernel release and see how that goes?

Sounds Good. Kernel releases are roughly 3 months apart. So that would
mean a kexec-tools release roughly around 6 months. This sounds like
a good start.

So 3.13 was release recently. And last kexec-tools release was in march
2013. May be it is a good idea to do one release now and then next one
can be after release of kernel 3.15, 3.17 and so on.

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Re: More frequent kexec-tools releases

[Simon Horman]

On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 09:30:47AM -0500, Vivek Goyal wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 02:23:04PM +0900, Simon Horman wrote:
> 
> [..]
> > > Simon what do you think? A kexec-tools release every 4 months or every
> > > 6 months. Does it make sense to you? 
> > 
> > Perhaps we could aim for every second kernel release and see how that goes?
> 
> Sounds Good. Kernel releases are roughly 3 months apart. So that would
> mean a kexec-tools release roughly around 6 months. This sounds like
> a good start.
> 
> So 3.13 was release recently. And last kexec-tools release was in march
> 2013. May be it is a good idea to do one release now and then next one
> can be after release of kernel 3.15, 3.17 and so on.

Yes, I think so too.

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Re: More frequent kexec-tools releases

[Simon Horman]

On Tue, Feb 04, 2014 at 05:31:51PM +0900, Simon Horman wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 09:30:47AM -0500, Vivek Goyal wrote:
> > On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 02:23:04PM +0900, Simon Horman wrote:
> > 
> > [..]
> > > > Simon what do you think? A kexec-tools release every 4 months or every
> > > > 6 months. Does it make sense to you? 
> > > 
> > > Perhaps we could aim for every second kernel release and see how that goes?
> > 
> > Sounds Good. Kernel releases are roughly 3 months apart. So that would
> > mean a kexec-tools release roughly around 6 months. This sounds like
> > a good start.
> > 
> > So 3.13 was release recently. And last kexec-tools release was in march
> > 2013. May be it is a good idea to do one release now and then next one
> > can be after release of kernel 3.15, 3.17 and so on.
> 
> Yes, I think so too.

Would any of you object to me doing this with the current state of the
tree as of fe2c38cc0fc32573 ("Avoid buffer overflow on strncat usage").


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Re: More frequent kexec-tools releases

[Vivek Goyal]

On Tue, Feb 04, 2014 at 09:41:48PM +0900, Simon Horman wrote:

[..]
> > > > Perhaps we could aim for every second kernel release and see how that goes?
> > > 
> > > Sounds Good. Kernel releases are roughly 3 months apart. So that would
> > > mean a kexec-tools release roughly around 6 months. This sounds like
> > > a good start.
> > > 
> > > So 3.13 was release recently. And last kexec-tools release was in march
> > > 2013. May be it is a good idea to do one release now and then next one
> > > can be after release of kernel 3.15, 3.17 and so on.
> > 
> > Yes, I think so too.
> 
> Would any of you object to me doing this with the current state of the
> tree as of fe2c38cc0fc32573 ("Avoid buffer overflow on strncat usage").

I have no objection.

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Re: More frequent kexec-tools releases

[Zhang Yanfei]

On 02/04/2014 08:41 PM, Simon Horman wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 04, 2014 at 05:31:51PM +0900, Simon Horman wrote:
>> On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 09:30:47AM -0500, Vivek Goyal wrote:
>>> On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 02:23:04PM +0900, Simon Horman wrote:
>>>
>>> [..]
>>>>> Simon what do you think? A kexec-tools release every 4 months or every
>>>>> 6 months. Does it make sense to you? 
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps we could aim for every second kernel release and see how that goes?
>>>
>>> Sounds Good. Kernel releases are roughly 3 months apart. So that would
>>> mean a kexec-tools release roughly around 6 months. This sounds like
>>> a good start.
>>>
>>> So 3.13 was release recently. And last kexec-tools release was in march
>>> 2013. May be it is a good idea to do one release now and then next one
>>> can be after release of kernel 3.15, 3.17 and so on.
>>
>> Yes, I think so too.
> 
> Would any of you object to me doing this with the current state of the
> tree as of fe2c38cc0fc32573 ("Avoid buffer overflow on strncat usage").
> 

NO objection.

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Re: More frequent kexec-tools releases

[Simon Horman]

On Wed, Feb 05, 2014 at 09:12:26AM +0800, Zhang Yanfei wrote:
> On 02/04/2014 08:41 PM, Simon Horman wrote:
> > On Tue, Feb 04, 2014 at 05:31:51PM +0900, Simon Horman wrote:
> >> On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 09:30:47AM -0500, Vivek Goyal wrote:
> >>> On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 02:23:04PM +0900, Simon Horman wrote:
> >>>
> >>> [..]
> >>>>> Simon what do you think? A kexec-tools release every 4 months or every
> >>>>> 6 months. Does it make sense to you? 
> >>>>
> >>>> Perhaps we could aim for every second kernel release and see how that goes?
> >>>
> >>> Sounds Good. Kernel releases are roughly 3 months apart. So that would
> >>> mean a kexec-tools release roughly around 6 months. This sounds like
> >>> a good start.
> >>>
> >>> So 3.13 was release recently. And last kexec-tools release was in march
> >>> 2013. May be it is a good idea to do one release now and then next one
> >>> can be after release of kernel 3.15, 3.17 and so on.
> >>
> >> Yes, I think so too.
> > 
> > Would any of you object to me doing this with the current state of the
> > tree as of fe2c38cc0fc32573 ("Avoid buffer overflow on strncat usage").
> > 
> 
> NO objection.

Done :)

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Re: More frequent kexec-tools releases

[Vivek Goyal]

On Wed, Feb 05, 2014 at 03:49:06PM +0900, Simon Horman wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 05, 2014 at 09:12:26AM +0800, Zhang Yanfei wrote:
> > On 02/04/2014 08:41 PM, Simon Horman wrote:
> > > On Tue, Feb 04, 2014 at 05:31:51PM +0900, Simon Horman wrote:
> > >> On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 09:30:47AM -0500, Vivek Goyal wrote:
> > >>> On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 02:23:04PM +0900, Simon Horman wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> [..]
> > >>>>> Simon what do you think? A kexec-tools release every 4 months or every
> > >>>>> 6 months. Does it make sense to you? 
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Perhaps we could aim for every second kernel release and see how that goes?
> > >>>
> > >>> Sounds Good. Kernel releases are roughly 3 months apart. So that would
> > >>> mean a kexec-tools release roughly around 6 months. This sounds like
> > >>> a good start.
> > >>>
> > >>> So 3.13 was release recently. And last kexec-tools release was in march
> > >>> 2013. May be it is a good idea to do one release now and then next one
> > >>> can be after release of kernel 3.15, 3.17 and so on.
> > >>
> > >> Yes, I think so too.
> > > 
> > > Would any of you object to me doing this with the current state of the
> > > tree as of fe2c38cc0fc32573 ("Avoid buffer overflow on strncat usage").
> > > 
> > 
> > NO objection.
> 
> Done :)

Thanks Simon. I did git pull but I don't see new tag in my tree. Not sure
why. 

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Re: More frequent kexec-tools releases

[Simon Horman]

On Wed, Feb 05, 2014 at 08:20:15AM -0500, Vivek Goyal wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 05, 2014 at 03:49:06PM +0900, Simon Horman wrote:
> > On Wed, Feb 05, 2014 at 09:12:26AM +0800, Zhang Yanfei wrote:
> > > On 02/04/2014 08:41 PM, Simon Horman wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Feb 04, 2014 at 05:31:51PM +0900, Simon Horman wrote:
> > > >> On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 09:30:47AM -0500, Vivek Goyal wrote:
> > > >>> On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 02:23:04PM +0900, Simon Horman wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> [..]
> > > >>>>> Simon what do you think? A kexec-tools release every 4 months or every
> > > >>>>> 6 months. Does it make sense to you? 
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Perhaps we could aim for every second kernel release and see how that goes?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Sounds Good. Kernel releases are roughly 3 months apart. So that would
> > > >>> mean a kexec-tools release roughly around 6 months. This sounds like
> > > >>> a good start.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> So 3.13 was release recently. And last kexec-tools release was in march
> > > >>> 2013. May be it is a good idea to do one release now and then next one
> > > >>> can be after release of kernel 3.15, 3.17 and so on.
> > > >>
> > > >> Yes, I think so too.
> > > > 
> > > > Would any of you object to me doing this with the current state of the
> > > > tree as of fe2c38cc0fc32573 ("Avoid buffer overflow on strncat usage").
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > NO objection.
> > 
> > Done :)
> 
> Thanks Simon. I did git pull but I don't see new tag in my tree. Not sure
> why. 

Could you try again? I messed up the push.

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Re: More frequent kexec-tools releases

[Vivek Goyal]

On Thu, Feb 06, 2014 at 10:55:13AM +0900, Simon Horman wrote:

[..]
> > Thanks Simon. I did git pull but I don't see new tag in my tree. Not sure
> > why. 
> 
> Could you try again? I messed up the push.

It works now. Thanks.

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Re: More frequent kexec-tools releases

[Simon Horman]

On Thu, Feb 06, 2014 at 09:23:32AM -0500, Vivek Goyal wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 06, 2014 at 10:55:13AM +0900, Simon Horman wrote:
> 
> [..]
> > > Thanks Simon. I did git pull but I don't see new tag in my tree. Not sure
> > > why. 
> > 
> > Could you try again? I messed up the push.
> 
> It works now. Thanks.

It seems that a few bugs showed up in 2.0.5, fixes for which
are now in the git repository. I am thinking it would be a good
idea to release these as 2.0.6 unless people would rather that I held off.

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Re: More frequent kexec-tools releases

[Dave Young]

On 02/07/14 at 08:58am, Simon Horman wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 06, 2014 at 09:23:32AM -0500, Vivek Goyal wrote:
> > On Thu, Feb 06, 2014 at 10:55:13AM +0900, Simon Horman wrote:
> > 
> > [..]
> > > > Thanks Simon. I did git pull but I don't see new tag in my tree. Not sure
> > > > why. 
> > > 
> > > Could you try again? I messed up the push.
> > 
> > It works now. Thanks.
> 
> It seems that a few bugs showed up in 2.0.5, fixes for which
> are now in the git repository. I am thinking it would be a good
> idea to release these as 2.0.6 unless people would rather that I held off.

I'm fine with a new release, thanks a lot.

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Re: More frequent kexec-tools releases

[Vivek Goyal]

On Fri, Feb 07, 2014 at 08:58:52AM +0900, Simon Horman wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 06, 2014 at 09:23:32AM -0500, Vivek Goyal wrote:
> > On Thu, Feb 06, 2014 at 10:55:13AM +0900, Simon Horman wrote:
> > 
> > [..]
> > > > Thanks Simon. I did git pull but I don't see new tag in my tree. Not sure
> > > > why. 
> > > 
> > > Could you try again? I messed up the push.
> > 
> > It works now. Thanks.
> 
> It seems that a few bugs showed up in 2.0.5, fixes for which
> are now in the git repository. I am thinking it would be a good
> idea to release these as 2.0.6 unless people would rather that I held off.

I am fine with new release.

In future you might have to come up with a process where you merge
only important fixes so that you can do a stable release.

May be create a development branch 2-3 weeks before final release. Master
branch slowly will get ready for release and will get only important
fixes committed. Devel branch will have everything. And after release,
devel will be rebased on top of master and merged or some other better
process.

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Re: More frequent kexec-tools releases

[Simon Horman]

On Fri, Feb 07, 2014 at 09:34:09AM -0500, Vivek Goyal wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 07, 2014 at 08:58:52AM +0900, Simon Horman wrote:
> > On Thu, Feb 06, 2014 at 09:23:32AM -0500, Vivek Goyal wrote:
> > > On Thu, Feb 06, 2014 at 10:55:13AM +0900, Simon Horman wrote:
> > > 
> > > [..]
> > > > > Thanks Simon. I did git pull but I don't see new tag in my tree. Not sure
> > > > > why. 
> > > > 
> > > > Could you try again? I messed up the push.
> > > 
> > > It works now. Thanks.
> > 
> > It seems that a few bugs showed up in 2.0.5, fixes for which
> > are now in the git repository. I am thinking it would be a good
> > idea to release these as 2.0.6 unless people would rather that I held off.
> 
> I am fine with new release.
> 
> In future you might have to come up with a process where you merge
> only important fixes so that you can do a stable release.
> 
> May be create a development branch 2-3 weeks before final release. Master
> branch slowly will get ready for release and will get only important
> fixes committed. Devel branch will have everything. And after release,
> devel will be rebased on top of master and merged or some other better
> process.

I think something like that should work quite well.

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Re: More frequent kexec-tools releases

[WANG Chao]

On 02/07/14 at 08:58am, Simon Horman wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 06, 2014 at 09:23:32AM -0500, Vivek Goyal wrote:
> > On Thu, Feb 06, 2014 at 10:55:13AM +0900, Simon Horman wrote:
> > 
> > [..]
> > > > Thanks Simon. I did git pull but I don't see new tag in my tree. Not sure
> > > > why. 
> > > 
> > > Could you try again? I messed up the push.
> > 
> > It works now. Thanks.
> 
> It seems that a few bugs showed up in 2.0.5, fixes for which
> are now in the git repository. I am thinking it would be a good
> idea to release these as 2.0.6 unless people would rather that I held off.

As you mentioned, I found 2.0.5 doesn't build on i386. I consider these
are major bugs, which deserves a hot fix release as 2.0.6. What do you
think?

Thanks
WANG Chao

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