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From: Pranjal Shrivastava <praan@google.com>
To: Samiullah Khawaja <skhawaja@google.com>
Cc: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
	Lu Baolu <baolu.lu@linux.intel.com>,
	Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>, Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>, YiFei Zhu <zhuyifei@google.com>,
	Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>,
	Kevin Tian <kevin.tian@intel.com>,
	Alex Williamson <alex@shazbot.org>, Shuah Khan <shuah@kernel.org>,
	iommu@lists.linux.dev, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, Saeed Mahameed <saeedm@nvidia.com>,
	Adithya Jayachandran <ajayachandra@nvidia.com>,
	Parav Pandit <parav@nvidia.com>,
	Leon Romanovsky <leonro@nvidia.com>, William Tu <witu@nvidia.com>,
	Pratyush Yadav <pratyush@kernel.org>,
	Pasha Tatashin <pasha.tatashin@soleen.com>,
	David Matlack <dmatlack@google.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Chris Li <chrisl@kernel.org>, Vipin Sharma <vipinsh@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 13/16] iommufd: Persist iommu hardware pagetables for live update
Date: Fri, 22 May 2026 16:01:43 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ahB957SICkiVzZBv@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ag4DzYZ4ToDcyfn3@google.com>

On Wed, May 20, 2026 at 07:40:05PM +0000, Samiullah Khawaja wrote:
> On Wed, May 20, 2026 at 12:00:44AM +0000, Pranjal Shrivastava wrote:
> > On Mon, Apr 27, 2026 at 05:56:30PM +0000, Samiullah Khawaja wrote:
[...]

> > >  #include "double_span.h"
> > > @@ -1421,6 +1422,7 @@ struct iopt_pages *iopt_alloc_file_pages(struct file *file,
> > > 
> > >  {
> > >  	struct iopt_pages *pages;
> > > +	int seals;
> > > 
> > >  	pages = iopt_alloc_pages(start_byte, length, writable);
> > >  	if (IS_ERR(pages))
> > > @@ -1428,6 +1430,11 @@ struct iopt_pages *iopt_alloc_file_pages(struct file *file,
> > >  	pages->file = get_file(file);
> > >  	pages->start = start - start_byte;
> > >  	pages->type = IOPT_ADDRESS_FILE;
> > > +
> > > +	seals = memfd_get_seals(file);
> > > +	if (seals > 0)
> > > +		pages->seals = seals;
> > > +
> > 
> > Can caching memfd seals create a TOCTOU issue?
> > IIUC, iopt_alloc_file_pages happens at map time, However, the userspace
> > is allowed to map a memfd and then apply the F_ADD_SEALS via fcntl()
> > later in its setup sequence? For example a sequence like:
> > 
> > 1. VMM creates a memfd. It has 0 seals.
> > 2. VMM calls IOMMU_IOAS_MAP_FILE. IOMMUFD caches pages->seals = 0.
> > 3. VMM finishes its setup and calls:
> >   fcntl(fd, F_ADD_SEALS, F_SEAL_GROW | F_SEAL_SHRINK | F_SEAL_SEAL).
> > 
> > 4.VMM initiates Live Update.
> > 5.check_iopt_pages_preserved looks at the cached pages->seals
> >  (which is still 0), sees the seals are missing, & kills the LiveUpdate
> >  with -EINVAL, even though the file is properly sealed..
> 
> This is true and it is intentionally this way to make sure that the seal
> is applied during mapping otherwise user can apply the seal after
> resizing the memfd and preserve IOMMU mappings that are pointing to
> unpreserved pages. Consider following:
> 
> 1. VMM creates a memfd and seals is zero.
> 2. VMM maps memfd into ioas/hwpt.
> 3. VMM resizes the memfd.
> 4. VMM seals memfd
> 5. VMM preserves the memfd (it only preseves the current size).
> 6. VMM preserves iommufd and it succeeds as memfd is sealed.
> 
> But the pages being referred by the iommu mappings are refcounted in
> current kernel, but not preserved.
> 
> Check the comment in check_iopt_pages_preserved() also. I will add a
> comment here also.
> > 

I understand the intent to enforce a policy to Seal-at-Map to ensure
consistency. I am wondering if this policy is a little too restrictive. 
Should we consider performing a dynamic i_size check during preservation
instead? I can't think of a good use-case as of now.. (maybe let it be?)

However, if we decide to keep the current policy, we should probably 
check for the required seals during the IOMMU_IOAS_MAP_FILE ioctl itself. 
If the seals aren't present, we could pr_warn("Don't expect liveupdate 
preservation for this memory, bad seals") to let the user know that this 
specific mapping will be ineligible for Live Update preservation later. 

Thanks,
Praan

  reply	other threads:[~2026-05-22 16:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-04-27 17:56 [PATCH v2 00/16] iommu: Add live update state preservation Samiullah Khawaja
2026-04-27 17:56 ` [PATCH v2 01/16] liveupdate: luo_file: Add internal APIs for file preservation Samiullah Khawaja
2026-05-18 11:40   ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-05-18 19:08     ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-04-27 17:56 ` [PATCH v2 02/16] iommu: Implement IOMMU Live update FLB callbacks Samiullah Khawaja
2026-05-01 21:45   ` David Matlack
2026-05-18 11:52     ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-05-18 14:10       ` Pratyush Yadav
2026-05-18 15:08         ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-05-23 13:29       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-05-18 12:33     ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-05-18 17:20       ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-05-18 17:32         ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-05-18 17:06     ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-04-27 17:56 ` [PATCH v2 03/16] iommu: Implement IOMMU domain preservation Samiullah Khawaja
2026-05-01 22:08   ` David Matlack
2026-05-04 18:33     ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-05-18 13:13   ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-05-18 18:55     ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-05-18 21:36       ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-04-27 17:56 ` [PATCH v2 04/16] iommu: Implement device and IOMMU HW preservation Samiullah Khawaja
2026-05-01 22:42   ` David Matlack
2026-05-04 19:06     ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-05-07  2:07   ` Baolu Lu
2026-05-07 18:47     ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-05-18 14:01       ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-05-18 18:33         ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-05-18 13:55   ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-05-18 18:44     ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-04-27 17:56 ` [PATCH v2 05/16] iommu/pages: Add APIs to preserve/unpreserve/restore iommu pages Samiullah Khawaja
2026-05-18 14:23   ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-05-18 17:22     ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-04-27 17:56 ` [PATCH v2 06/16] iommupt: Implement preserve/unpreserve/restore callbacks Samiullah Khawaja
2026-05-07  2:55   ` Baolu Lu
2026-05-07 18:40     ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-05-19 13:15   ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-05-19 17:14     ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-05-23 13:33   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-04-27 17:56 ` [PATCH v2 07/16] iommu/vt-d: Implement device and iommu preserve/unpreserve ops Samiullah Khawaja
2026-05-07  6:25   ` Baolu Lu
2026-05-08  2:36     ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-05-18 20:32       ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-05-19 14:40         ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-05-19 18:26           ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-04-27 17:56 ` [PATCH v2 08/16] iommu: Add APIs to get iommu and device preserved state Samiullah Khawaja
2026-05-19 15:52   ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-05-20 17:24     ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-04-27 17:56 ` [PATCH v2 09/16] iommu/vt-d: Restore IOMMU state and reclaimed domain ids Samiullah Khawaja
2026-05-07  9:05   ` Baolu Lu
2026-05-07 17:35     ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-05-19 21:46   ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-05-20 18:02     ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-05-20 19:59     ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-04-27 17:56 ` [PATCH v2 10/16] iommu: Restore and reattach preserved domains to devices Samiullah Khawaja
2026-05-07 13:54   ` Baolu Lu
2026-05-07 16:52     ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-04-27 17:56 ` [PATCH v2 11/16] iommu/vt-d: preserve PASID table of preserved device Samiullah Khawaja
2026-05-08  6:05   ` Baolu Lu
2026-05-11 18:45     ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-05-12 11:32       ` Baolu Lu
2026-05-19 22:35   ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-05-20 18:13     ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-04-27 17:56 ` [PATCH v2 12/16] iommufd: Implement ioctl to mark HWPT for preservation Samiullah Khawaja
2026-05-19 23:05   ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-05-20 19:50     ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-04-27 17:56 ` [PATCH v2 13/16] iommufd: Persist iommu hardware pagetables for live update Samiullah Khawaja
2026-05-20  0:00   ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-05-20 19:40     ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-05-22 16:01       ` Pranjal Shrivastava [this message]
2026-05-22 19:29         ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-04-27 17:56 ` [PATCH v2 14/16] iommufd: Add APIs to preserve/unpreserve a vfio cdev Samiullah Khawaja
2026-05-20  0:46   ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-04-27 17:56 ` [PATCH v2 15/16] vfio/pci: Preserve the iommufd state of the " Samiullah Khawaja
2026-05-20  0:57   ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-05-20 19:54     ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-04-27 17:56 ` [PATCH v2 16/16] iommufd/selftest: Add test to verify iommufd preservation Samiullah Khawaja

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