From: Eric Biggers <ebiggers@kernel.org>
To: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
Cc: Bartosz Golaszewski <brgl@kernel.org>,
linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org,
Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>,
linux-arm-msm@vger.kernel.org,
linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Demi Marie Obenour <demiobenour@gmail.com>,
Kuldeep Singh <kuldeep.singh@oss.qualcomm.com>,
Dmitry Baryshkov <dmitry.baryshkov@oss.qualcomm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] crypto: qce - Remove driver
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2026 08:51:44 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260724155144.GA2032@sol> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2026072428-ungodly-outsource-b20c@gregkh>
On Fri, Jul 24, 2026 at 05:25:46PM +0200, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 24, 2026 at 08:09:32AM -0700, Eric Biggers wrote:
> > On Fri, Jul 24, 2026 at 05:04:46PM +0200, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> > > On Fri, Jul 24, 2026 at 02:47:48PM +0000, Bartosz Golaszewski wrote:
> > > > On Fri, 24 Jul 2026 16:14:14 +0200, Eric Biggers <ebiggers@kernel.org> said:
> > > > >
> > > > > And with the defaults QCE is *never* used.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > It's almost EOD here and I'm going to disconnect for the weekend but I just
> > > > wanted to say before I leave: this has never been a reason for an aggresive
> > > > removal of any driver. We remove drivers when we stop supporting entire
> > > > platforms, not mostly unused drivers on actively *supported* platforms where
> > > > they can still be used for experimentation and testing. I'm fine with dropping
> > > > this from arm64 defconfig but with fixes, the BROKEN tag should be removed
> > > > and I definitely object to removing it from the tree. How many people still
> > > > use greybus? Should we drop it from the kernel too? And I'm saying it as
> > > > a project ARA alumni. :)
> > >
> > > I agree, if someone is willing to maintain it, and there are actual
> > > in-kernel uses of it (meaning not just a stand-alone library that can
> > > never be called either by userspace or hardware), it should stay.
> >
> > What would we be considering the in-kernel uses to be, then? Just
> > wiring it up to the framework is enough, regardless of actual use?
>
> I was meaning that we just don't want to have code lying around that is
> impossible to use.
>
> I'll defer to the subsystem maintainer if they want to remove it or not
> here, as that's their call, not mine.
>
> But really, if someone wants to maintain it, no matter how slow it might
> be, I don't see the harm in keeping it if it's not causing any other
> problems.
It is consuming a lot of the community's time to help maintain,
including dealing with LLM-found bugs, with no clear benefit to anyone.
Even considering *just today* we can see someone sent a bug fix:
https://lore.kernel.org/linux-crypto/20260724081537.191992-2-thorsten.blum@linux.dev/
It definitely *was* causing problems before it was disabled via the
crypto priority system (which made it unused in the kernel) and dropped
it from AF_ALG (which removed most of the unprivileged attack surface).
When anyone accidentally used it, it caused at least a huge performance
problem, and sometimes other problems too like filesystem hangs. It was
an issue for years.
If the justification for keeping it is that it is disabled anyway, then
I hope there's not going to be a contradictory push to enable it again.
I don't think we should keep crypto drivers around just for
"experimentation and testing".
- Eric
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-07-24 15:53 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
[not found] <20260724050645.223799-1-ebiggers@kernel.org>
2026-07-24 5:28 ` [PATCH] crypto: qce - Remove driver Greg Kroah-Hartman
2026-07-24 7:36 ` Bartosz Golaszewski
2026-07-24 8:41 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2026-07-24 9:29 ` Bartosz Golaszewski
2026-07-24 14:14 ` Eric Biggers
2026-07-24 14:47 ` Bartosz Golaszewski
2026-07-24 15:04 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2026-07-24 15:09 ` Eric Biggers
2026-07-24 15:25 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2026-07-24 15:51 ` Eric Biggers [this message]
[not found] ` <amM22cX7KTqyOoOk@sumit-xelite>
2026-07-24 13:51 ` Eric Biggers
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