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From: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu
To: Steve Grubb <sgrubb@redhat.com>
Cc: Linux Audit <linux-audit@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC] programmatic IDS routing
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:09:26 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3256.1205957366@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:54:16 EDT." <200803191454.16671.sgrubb@redhat.com>


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On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:54:16 EDT, Steve Grubb said:

>> 2) An audit rule wasn't set at all.

> Again nothing to worry about since they haven't set the system up yet.

No - it's one of the failure modes you said you were worried about:

> The problem is that you can tell the IDS that you want any reads 
> of /opt/my-secrets, but unless you have a matching audit rule you will not 
> get any records. This allows you to make sure you have a watch paired with 
> its meaning.

Exactly - if you're missing the rule, you don't get records.

Determining whether it's a problem because a rule is missing, or not a
problem because "it's not set up yet", isn't anything the kernel should be
involved in - other than to maybe notify us "Hey dood, you have exactly zero
rules set, you might want to check what happened".

> I have also been wondering about detecting shadowed rules and warning when 
> auditctl finishes a file.

I wasn't even thinking about that - I was thinking of the ones that are like
the old SNL skit - a dessert topping *and* a floor wax.  Say, one rule triggered
on an event because it's an unsuccessful open, and another rule would have
triggered because it was a reference to a watched file....

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  reply	other threads:[~2008-03-19 20:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-03-19 17:02 [RFC] programmatic IDS routing Steve Grubb
2008-03-19 17:12 ` Linda Knippers
2008-03-19 17:40   ` Steve Grubb
2008-03-19 17:55     ` Steve Grubb
2008-03-19 18:18     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-03-19 18:54       ` Steve Grubb
2008-03-19 20:09         ` Valdis.Kletnieks [this message]
2008-03-19 18:05 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-03-19 18:40   ` Steve Grubb
2008-03-19 19:04     ` Linda Knippers
2008-03-19 19:28       ` Steve Grubb
2008-03-19 19:48         ` Eric Paris
2008-03-19 20:48           ` Steve Grubb
2008-03-19 19:55         ` Linda Knippers
2008-03-19 21:01           ` Steve Grubb
2008-03-19 21:31             ` Linda Knippers
2008-03-19 21:41               ` Eric Paris
2008-03-19 22:42                 ` Steve Grubb
2008-03-19 23:00                   ` Linda Knippers
2008-03-19 23:44                     ` Steve Grubb
2008-03-20 13:32                       ` Linda Knippers
2008-03-20 13:53                         ` Steve Grubb
2008-03-21 10:28                           ` Klaus Heinrich Kiwi
2008-03-21 12:50                             ` Steve Grubb
2008-03-21 14:14                               ` LC Bruzenak
2008-03-21 15:01                                 ` Steve Grubb
2008-03-21 16:32                                   ` LC Bruzenak
2008-03-24 13:13                                   ` Klaus Heinrich Kiwi
2008-03-20 12:19               ` Steve Grubb

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