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From: Johannes Thumshirn <jthumshirn@suse.de>
To: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
Cc: Ming Lei <tom.leiming@gmail.com>, Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	Ming Lei <ming.lei@redhat.com>,
	Bart Van Assche <Bart.VanAssche@wdc.com>,
	"hch@lst.de" <hch@lst.de>,
	"linux-block@vger.kernel.org" <linux-block@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-pm@vger.kernel.org" <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>,
	"martin.petersen@oracle.com" <martin.petersen@oracle.com>,
	"hare@suse.de" <hare@suse.de>,
	"linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org" <linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org>,
	"rjw@rjwysocki.net" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>,
	"gregkh@linuxfoundation.org" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"jejb@linux.vnet.ibm.com" <jejb@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	"adrian.hunter@intel.com" <adrian.hunter@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC V2 3/3] scsi_mq: enable runtime PM
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2018 08:41:24 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180719064124.fsi6au7x3vd2g7md@linux-x5ow.site> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1807181058440.31764-100000@netrider.rowland.org>

On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 11:01:52AM -0400, Alan Stern wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Jul 2018, Johannes Thumshirn wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 10:12:37AM -0400, Alan Stern wrote:
> > > As one extra reminder...  People who care about extreme performance can 
> > > perfectly well disable CONFIG_PM in their kernels.  That should remove 
> > > any overhead due to runtime PM.
> > 
> > Yes but how likely is this for people who are running their data
> > center with a distribution kernel.
> 
> Strictly speaking, that's a nonsense question.  People who run 
> distribution kernels are 100% unlikely to change the kernel 
> configuration, by definition.
> 
> That's not the point.  If people really care about getting the utmost 
> performance, to the extent that they resent the minimal overhead 
> required for runtime PM, then they should not be running distribution 
> kernels in the first place.

Can we agree to disagree here?

Some of the people I know in HPC, HFT, etc... run stock SLE/RHEL and
they do file bugs for every single 3-5% performance regression. This
is not something I made up, this is the kind of things I have to deal
with on my day job.

So long,
   Johannes
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  reply	other threads:[~2018-07-19  6:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-07-13  8:05 [PATCH RFC V2 0/3] blk-mq: support runtime PM Ming Lei
2018-07-13  8:06 ` [PATCH RFC V2 1/3] block: put runtime PM code into common helpers Ming Lei
2018-07-17 13:21   ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-07-13  8:06 ` [PATCH RFC V2 2/3] blk-mq: prepare for supporting runtime PM Ming Lei
2018-07-13 20:16   ` Alan Stern
2018-07-17 13:23   ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-07-13  8:06 ` [PATCH RFC V2 3/3] scsi_mq: enable " Ming Lei
2018-07-17 13:24   ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-07-17 15:30     ` Ming Lei
2018-07-17 15:34       ` Bart Van Assche
2018-07-17 15:38         ` Ming Lei
2018-07-17 19:50           ` hch
2018-07-17 20:54             ` Alan Stern
2018-07-17 21:49           ` Jens Axboe
2018-07-18 12:06             ` Ming Lei
2018-07-18 12:28               ` Johannes Thumshirn
2018-07-18 12:37                 ` Ming Lei
2018-07-18 14:12                 ` Alan Stern
2018-07-18 14:18                   ` Johannes Thumshirn
2018-07-18 15:01                     ` Alan Stern
2018-07-19  6:41                       ` Johannes Thumshirn [this message]
2018-07-19 14:35                         ` Alan Stern
2018-07-19 14:43                           ` Johannes Thumshirn
2018-07-18 14:50                   ` Jens Axboe
2018-07-18 18:46                     ` Alan Stern
2018-07-18 23:08                     ` Ming Lei
2018-07-18 12:43               ` Hannes Reinecke
2018-07-18 13:05                 ` Ming Lei
2018-07-13 14:21 ` [PATCH RFC V2 0/3] blk-mq: support " Jens Axboe
2018-07-14  2:37   ` Ming Lei
2018-07-14  2:54     ` Jens Axboe
2018-07-16 16:21       ` Bart Van Assche
2018-07-16 16:03     ` Bart Van Assche
2018-07-17  1:12       ` Ming Lei

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