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From: Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>
To: Ming Lei <ming.lei@redhat.com>
Cc: linux-block@vger.kernel.org,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>,
	Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
	linux-pm@vger.kernel.org,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Bart Van Assche <bart.vanassche@wdc.com>,
	Hannes Reinecke <hare@suse.de>,
	Johannes Thumshirn <jthumshirn@suse.de>,
	Adrian Hunter <adrian.hunter@intel.com>,
	"James E.J. Bottomley" <jejb@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	"Martin K. Petersen" <martin.petersen@oracle.com>,
	linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC V2 0/3] blk-mq: support runtime PM
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2018 20:54:35 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <27bc4ec8-dd63-2b6f-84ef-4c4c0fc7f9e9@kernel.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180714023740.GA8402@ming.t460p>

On 7/13/18 8:37 PM, Ming Lei wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 08:21:09AM -0600, Jens Axboe wrote:
>> On 7/13/18 2:05 AM, Ming Lei wrote:
>>> Hi Guys,
>>>
>>> Runtime PM is usually enabled for SCSI devices, and we are switching to
>>> SCSI_MQ recently, but runtime PM isn't supported yet by blk-mq, and
>>> people may complain that.
>>>
>>> This patch tries to support runtime PM for blk-mq. And one chanllenge is
>>> that it can be quite expensive to account the active in-flight IOs for
>>> figuring out when to mark the last busy. This patch simply marks busy
>>> after each non-PM IO is done, and this way is workable because:
>>>
>>> 1) pm_runtime_mark_last_busy() is very cheap
>>>
>>> 2) in-flight non-PM IO is checked in blk_pre_runtime_suspend(), so
>>> if there is any IO queued, the device will be prevented from being
>>> suspened.
>>>
>>> 3) Generally speaking, autosuspend_delay_ms is often big, and should
>>> be in unit of second, so it shouldn't be a big deal to check if queue
>>> is idle in blk_pre_runtime_suspend().
>>>
>>>
>>> V2:
>>> 	- re-organize code as suggested by Christoph
>>> 	- use seqlock to sync runtime PM and IO path
>>
>> See other mail on why this is not going to be acceptable.
> 
> OK, I am thinking another idea for addressing this issue.
> 
> We may introduce one logical admin(pm) request queue for each scsi_device,
> and this queue shares tag with IO queue, with NO_SCHED set, and always
> use atomic mode of the queue usage refcounter. Then we may send PM
> command to device after the IO queue is frozen.
> 
> Also PREEMPT_ONLY can be removed too in this way.
> 
> Even in future, all pass-through commands may be sent to this admin queue.
> 
> If no one objects, I will cook patches towards this direction.

Yes, this seems like a fine idea. It's essentially the same as handling
the enter differently, but the abstraction is nicer.

-- 
Jens Axboe

  reply	other threads:[~2018-07-14  2:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-07-13  8:05 [PATCH RFC V2 0/3] blk-mq: support runtime PM Ming Lei
2018-07-13  8:06 ` [PATCH RFC V2 1/3] block: put runtime PM code into common helpers Ming Lei
2018-07-17 13:21   ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-07-13  8:06 ` [PATCH RFC V2 2/3] blk-mq: prepare for supporting runtime PM Ming Lei
2018-07-13 20:16   ` Alan Stern
2018-07-17 13:23   ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-07-13  8:06 ` [PATCH RFC V2 3/3] scsi_mq: enable " Ming Lei
2018-07-17 13:24   ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-07-17 15:30     ` Ming Lei
2018-07-17 15:34       ` Bart Van Assche
2018-07-17 15:38         ` Ming Lei
2018-07-17 19:50           ` hch
2018-07-17 20:54             ` Alan Stern
2018-07-17 21:49           ` Jens Axboe
2018-07-18 12:06             ` Ming Lei
2018-07-18 12:28               ` Johannes Thumshirn
2018-07-18 12:37                 ` Ming Lei
2018-07-18 14:12                 ` Alan Stern
2018-07-18 14:18                   ` Johannes Thumshirn
2018-07-18 15:01                     ` Alan Stern
2018-07-19  6:41                       ` Johannes Thumshirn
2018-07-19 14:35                         ` Alan Stern
2018-07-19 14:43                           ` Johannes Thumshirn
2018-07-18 14:50                   ` Jens Axboe
2018-07-18 18:46                     ` Alan Stern
2018-07-18 23:08                     ` Ming Lei
2018-07-18 12:43               ` Hannes Reinecke
2018-07-18 13:05                 ` Ming Lei
2018-07-13 14:21 ` [PATCH RFC V2 0/3] blk-mq: support " Jens Axboe
2018-07-14  2:37   ` Ming Lei
2018-07-14  2:54     ` Jens Axboe [this message]
2018-07-16 16:21       ` Bart Van Assche
2018-07-16 16:03     ` Bart Van Assche
2018-07-17  1:12       ` Ming Lei

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