* [Bluez-users] can't establish a connection
@ 2004-08-05 21:50 ben4fun
2004-08-05 22:51 ` Marcel Holtmann
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From: ben4fun @ 2004-08-05 21:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: bluez-users
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Good evening,
I have a bluetooth dongle (broadcom) which is recognised when I plugged
it. I think so because kdebluetooth says that an adaptor was found. But
I can't pair it to my mobile phone (SE T610). The dongle doesn't
recognise any incoming connection.
I found on the mailing list archive the following command: " hciconfig
-a" this is what I obtained. I hope it could help.
"hci0: Type: USB
BD Address: 00:00:00:00:00:00 ACL MTU: 0:0 SCO MTU: 0:0
DOWN
RX bytes:0 acl:0 sco:0 events:0 errors:0
TX bytes:3 acl:0 sco:0 commands:1 errors:0
Features: 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00
Packet type: DM1 DH1 HV1
Link policy:
Link mode: SLAVE ACCEPT"
I maybe should say that I have a mandrake 10.0 and the kernel 2.6.3.
Regards,
Ben.
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* Re: [Bluez-users] can't establish a connection
2004-08-05 21:50 [Bluez-users] can't establish a connection ben4fun
@ 2004-08-05 22:51 ` Marcel Holtmann
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From: Marcel Holtmann @ 2004-08-05 22:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ben4fun; +Cc: BlueZ Mailing List
Hi Ben,
> I have a bluetooth dongle (broadcom) which is recognised when I
> plugged it. I think so because kdebluetooth says that an adaptor was
> found. But I can't pair it to my mobile phone (SE T610). The dongle
> doesn't recognise any incoming connection.
>
> I found on the mailing list archive the following command: " hciconfig
> -a" this is what I obtained. I hope it could help.
>
> "hci0: Type: USB
> BD Address: 00:00:00:00:00:00 ACL MTU: 0:0 SCO MTU: 0:0
> DOWN
> RX bytes:0 acl:0 sco:0 events:0 errors:0
> TX bytes:3 acl:0 sco:0 commands:1 errors:0
> Features: 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00
> Packet type: DM1 DH1 HV1
> Link policy:
> Link mode: SLAVE ACCEPT"
>
> I maybe should say that I have a mandrake 10.0 and the kernel 2.6.3.
go on with "hciconfig hci0 up" and have fun with your dongle.
Regards
Marcel
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* Re: [Bluez-users] can't establish a connection
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@ 2004-08-05 23:22 ` Marcel Holtmann
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From: Marcel Holtmann @ 2004-08-05 23:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Hi Ben,
> Unfortunately it gives me "Can't init device hci0. Connection timed out(110)"
> Too bad.
show us the content of the /proc/bus/usb/devices file.
Regards
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@ 2004-08-05 23:50 ` Marcel Holtmann
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From: Marcel Holtmann @ 2004-08-05 23:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Hi Ben,
> > show us the content of the /proc/bus/usb/devices file.
>
> The file is absolutely empty, there is not a line.
activate the USB device filesystem in your kernel and mount it. Look at
the USB howto for more details.
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2004-08-05 23:22 ` Marcel Holtmann
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@ 2004-08-06 0:16 ` Bc. Michal Semler
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2004-08-06 16:39 ` ben4fun
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From: Bc. Michal Semler @ 2004-08-06 0:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: bluez-users
add=20
none /proc/bus/usb usbdevfs faults 0 0
into /etc/fstab
then write
mount -a=20
and try again
M.
Dne p=E1 6. srpna 2004 01:22 Marcel Holtmann napsal(a):
> Hi Ben,
>
> > Unfortunately it gives me "Can't init device hci0. Connection timed
> > out(110)" Too bad.
>
> show us the content of the /proc/bus/usb/devices file.
>
> Regards
>
> Marcel
>
>
>
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@ 2004-08-06 16:27 ` Bc. Michal Semler
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From: Bc. Michal Semler @ 2004-08-06 16:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: bluez-users; +Cc: ben4fun
Then add into your kernel config
CONFIG_USB_DEVICEFS=3Dy
and recompile
And pls, write into mailing list!
M.
Dne p=E1 6. srpna 2004 18:21 jste napsal(a):
> Hi,
>
> > add
> >
> > none /proc/bus/usb usbdevfs faults 0 =
0
> >
> > into /etc/fstab
> >
> > then write
> > mount -a
>
> It's done.
> After a reboot, I did "mount -t usbdevfs none /proc/bus/usb" from the
> USB-howto . It confirmed me it was already mounted. But it is strange
> that /proc/bus/usb/device file is still empty.
>
> Then I did "hciconfig hci0 up"
> and I still have "Can't init device hci0. Connection timed out(110)"
>
> But the hciconfig message changed. It is now:
>
> "hci0: Type: USB
> BD Address: 00:00:00:00:00:00 ACL MTU: 0:0 SCO MTU: 0:0
> DOWN
> RX bytes:0 acl:0 sco:0 events:0 errors:0
> TX bytes:6 acl:0 sco:0 commands:2 errors:0"
>
> No idea why I have so much difficulties with this dongle.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ben
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* Re: [Bluez-users] can't establish a connection
2004-08-06 0:16 ` Bc. Michal Semler
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@ 2004-08-06 16:39 ` ben4fun
2004-08-09 21:40 ` Nicholas A. Preyss
2004-08-17 7:20 ` ben4fun
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From: ben4fun @ 2004-08-06 16:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Hi,
> add
>
> none /proc/bus/usb usbdevfs faults 0 0
>
> into /etc/fstab
>
> then write
> mount -a
It's done.
After a reboot, I did "mount -t usbdevfs none /proc/bus/usb" from the
USB-howto . It confirmed me it was already mounted. But it is strange
that /proc/bus/usb/device file is still empty.
Then I did "hciconfig hci0 up"
and I still have "Can't init device hci0. Connection timed out(110)"
But the hciconfig message changed. It is now:
"hci0: Type: USB
BD Address: 00:00:00:00:00:00 ACL MTU: 0:0 SCO MTU: 0:0
DOWN
RX bytes:0 acl:0 sco:0 events:0 errors:0
TX bytes:6 acl:0 sco:0 commands:2 errors:0"
No idea why I have so much difficulties with this dongle.
Regards,
Ben
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* Re: [Bluez-users] can't establish a connection
2004-08-06 16:39 ` ben4fun
@ 2004-08-09 21:40 ` Nicholas A. Preyss
2004-08-17 7:20 ` ben4fun
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From: Nicholas A. Preyss @ 2004-08-09 21:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: bluez-users mailing list
On 0, ben4fun <ben_4_fun@freenet.de> wrote:
> It's done.
> After a reboot, I did "mount -t usbdevfs none /proc/bus/usb" from the
> USB-howto . It confirmed me it was already mounted. But it is strange
> that /proc/bus/usb/device file is still empty.
>
> Then I did "hciconfig hci0 up"
> and I still have "Can't init device hci0. Connection timed out(110)"
Check if hcid is running. If it is, try a more recent kernel.
nicholas
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* Re: [Bluez-users] can't establish a connection
2004-08-06 16:39 ` ben4fun
2004-08-09 21:40 ` Nicholas A. Preyss
@ 2004-08-17 7:20 ` ben4fun
2004-08-17 7:36 ` Marcel Holtmann
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From: ben4fun @ 2004-08-17 7:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: bluez-users mailing list
Hi,
I still cannot use my broadcom bluetooth dongle. It doesn't seem to be a
usb relevant problem. (as far as I know, cause I'm a newbie).
This is what I get when I plug my dongle.
tail -f /var/log/messages | grep usb
Aug 16 11:17:25 localhost kernel: usb 1-1: new full speed USB device
using address 10
Aug 16 11:17:27 localhost kernel: usb 1-1.1: new full speed USB device
using address 11
Aug 16 11:17:28 localhost kernel: hci_usb_isoc_rx_submit: hci0 isoc rx
submit failed urb c1cb1014 err -90
Aug 16 11:17:28 localhost kernel: hci_usb_isoc_rx_submit: hci0 isoc rx
submit failed urb c1cb1014 err -90
Aug 16 11:17:30 localhost kernel: usb 1-1.2: new full speed USB device
using address 12
Aug 16 11:17:31 localhost kernel: input: USB HID v1.11 Keyboard
[0a5c:3502] on usb-0000:00:07.2-1.2
Aug 16 11:17:32 localhost kernel: usb 1-1.3: new full speed USB device
using address 13
Aug 16 11:17:33 localhost kernel: input: USB HID v1.11 Mouse [0a5c:3503]
on usb-0000:00:07.2-1.3
lsusb
Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
Bus 001 Device 013: ID 0a5c:3503 Broadcom Corp.
Bus 001 Device 012: ID 0a5c:3502 Broadcom Corp.
Bus 001 Device 011: ID 0a5c:200a Broadcom Corp.
Bus 001 Device 010: ID 0a5c:3535 Broadcom Corp.
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
I read your article Marcel Broadcom devices with bluetooth support but
the command HCI_Reset, returned an error. Do you have a clue?
Regards,
Ben
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* Re: [Bluez-users] can't establish a connection
2004-08-17 7:20 ` ben4fun
@ 2004-08-17 7:36 ` Marcel Holtmann
2004-08-17 7:49 ` Bc. Michal Semler
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From: Marcel Holtmann @ 2004-08-17 7:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ben4fun; +Cc: BlueZ Mailing List
Hi Ben,
> I still cannot use my broadcom bluetooth dongle. It doesn't seem to be a
> usb relevant problem. (as far as I know, cause I'm a newbie).
>
> This is what I get when I plug my dongle.
>
> tail -f /var/log/messages | grep usb
>
> Aug 16 11:17:25 localhost kernel: usb 1-1: new full speed USB device
> using address 10
> Aug 16 11:17:27 localhost kernel: usb 1-1.1: new full speed USB device
> using address 11
> Aug 16 11:17:28 localhost kernel: hci_usb_isoc_rx_submit: hci0 isoc rx
> submit failed urb c1cb1014 err -90
> Aug 16 11:17:28 localhost kernel: hci_usb_isoc_rx_submit: hci0 isoc rx
> submit failed urb c1cb1014 err -90
> Aug 16 11:17:30 localhost kernel: usb 1-1.2: new full speed USB device
> using address 12
> Aug 16 11:17:31 localhost kernel: input: USB HID v1.11 Keyboard
> [0a5c:3502] on usb-0000:00:07.2-1.2
> Aug 16 11:17:32 localhost kernel: usb 1-1.3: new full speed USB device
> using address 13
> Aug 16 11:17:33 localhost kernel: input: USB HID v1.11 Mouse [0a5c:3503]
> on usb-0000:00:07.2-1.3
>
>
> lsusb
> Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
> Bus 001 Device 013: ID 0a5c:3503 Broadcom Corp.
> Bus 001 Device 012: ID 0a5c:3502 Broadcom Corp.
> Bus 001 Device 011: ID 0a5c:200a Broadcom Corp.
> Bus 001 Device 010: ID 0a5c:3535 Broadcom Corp.
> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
>
> I read your article Marcel Broadcom devices with bluetooth support but
> the command HCI_Reset, returned an error. Do you have a clue?
install a kernel where this problem is fixed.
Regards
Marcel
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* Re: [Bluez-users] can't establish a connection
2004-08-17 7:36 ` Marcel Holtmann
@ 2004-08-17 7:49 ` Bc. Michal Semler
2004-08-17 20:53 ` ben4fun
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From: Bc. Michal Semler @ 2004-08-17 7:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: bluez-users
Hi Marcel,
better way is to buy a better dongle (CSR based) ;-)
M.
Dne =FAt 17. srpna 2004 09:36 Marcel Holtmann napsal(a):
> Hi Ben,
>
> > I still cannot use my broadcom bluetooth dongle. It doesn't seem to be a
> > usb relevant problem. (as far as I know, cause I'm a newbie).
> >
> > This is what I get when I plug my dongle.
> >
> > tail -f /var/log/messages | grep usb
> >
> > Aug 16 11:17:25 localhost kernel: usb 1-1: new full speed USB device
> > using address 10
> > Aug 16 11:17:27 localhost kernel: usb 1-1.1: new full speed USB device
> > using address 11
> > Aug 16 11:17:28 localhost kernel: hci_usb_isoc_rx_submit: hci0 isoc rx
> > submit failed urb c1cb1014 err -90
> > Aug 16 11:17:28 localhost kernel: hci_usb_isoc_rx_submit: hci0 isoc rx
> > submit failed urb c1cb1014 err -90
> > Aug 16 11:17:30 localhost kernel: usb 1-1.2: new full speed USB device
> > using address 12
> > Aug 16 11:17:31 localhost kernel: input: USB HID v1.11 Keyboard
> > [0a5c:3502] on usb-0000:00:07.2-1.2
> > Aug 16 11:17:32 localhost kernel: usb 1-1.3: new full speed USB device
> > using address 13
> > Aug 16 11:17:33 localhost kernel: input: USB HID v1.11 Mouse [0a5c:3503]
> > on usb-0000:00:07.2-1.3
> >
> >
> > lsusb
> > Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
> > Bus 001 Device 013: ID 0a5c:3503 Broadcom Corp.
> > Bus 001 Device 012: ID 0a5c:3502 Broadcom Corp.
> > Bus 001 Device 011: ID 0a5c:200a Broadcom Corp.
> > Bus 001 Device 010: ID 0a5c:3535 Broadcom Corp.
> > Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
> >
> > I read your article Marcel Broadcom devices with bluetooth support but
> > the command HCI_Reset, returned an error. Do you have a clue?
>
> install a kernel where this problem is fixed.
>
> Regards
>
> Marcel
>
>
>
>
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@ 2004-08-17 8:01 ` Marcel Holtmann
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From: Marcel Holtmann @ 2004-08-17 8:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ben4fun; +Cc: BlueZ Mailing List
Hi Ben,
> > install a kernel where this problem is fixed.
> >
> Thanks marcel for your quick answer as usual. I have the 2.6.8-0rc2.1mdk kernel,
> what kernel would be the good?
that kernel may work, but it is not a vanilla kernel, so I can't tell
you if all patches are included or not. However you can also try to
compile a kernel without CONFIG_BT_HCIUSB_SCO option set. May this
helps.
Regards
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2004-08-17 7:49 ` Bc. Michal Semler
@ 2004-08-17 20:53 ` ben4fun
2004-08-17 21:42 ` Marcel Holtmann
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From: ben4fun @ 2004-08-17 20:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Le mar 17/08/2004 à 09:49, Bc. Michal Semler a écrit :
> Hi Marcel,
>
> better way is to buy a better dongle (CSR based) ;-)
>
> M.
>
But the cheapest way was to follow the advice of Marcel. It's almost
done.
With the new kernel from kernel.org, i can now send data from my mobile
phone to my pc.
But it doesn't work in the other way. It seems I have some problems to
pair the mobile phone with the pc.
But I am happy that it works in one way.
this is the results of my new hciconfig -a
hci0: Type: USB
BD Address: 00:02:72:B3:43:18 ACL MTU: 377:10 SCO MTU: 16:0
UP RUNNING PSCAN ISCAN
RX bytes:102019 acl:4770 sco:0 events:292 errors:0
TX bytes:5159 acl:258 sco:0 commands:48 errors:0
Features: 0xff 0xff 0x0d 0x38 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00
Packet type: DM1 DM3 DM5 DH1 DH3 DH5 HV1 HV2 HV3
Link policy: HOLD SNIFF PARK
Link mode: SLAVE ACCEPT
Name: 'BlueZ (0)'
Class: 0x000100
Service Classes: Unspecified
Device Class: Computer, Uncategorized
HCI Ver: 1.1 (0x1) HCI Rev: 0x3 LMP Ver: 1.1 (0x1) LMP Subver:
0x800
Manufacturer: Broadcom Corporation (15)
Big thanks to you Marcel ans Michal
Regards
Ben
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* Re: [Bluez-users] can't establish a connection
2004-08-17 20:53 ` ben4fun
@ 2004-08-17 21:42 ` Marcel Holtmann
2004-08-17 21:49 ` ben4fun
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From: Marcel Holtmann @ 2004-08-17 21:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ben4fun; +Cc: BlueZ Mailing List
Hi Ben,
> But the cheapest way was to follow the advice of Marcel. It's almost
> done.
so adding the broken ISOC quirk would be enough to make this dongle work
again. Maybe the last time I tested it, I had the SCO support disabled.
> this is the results of my new hciconfig -a
>
> hci0: Type: USB
> BD Address: 00:02:72:B3:43:18 ACL MTU: 377:10 SCO MTU: 16:0
> UP RUNNING PSCAN ISCAN
> RX bytes:102019 acl:4770 sco:0 events:292 errors:0
> TX bytes:5159 acl:258 sco:0 commands:48 errors:0
> Features: 0xff 0xff 0x0d 0x38 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00
> Packet type: DM1 DM3 DM5 DH1 DH3 DH5 HV1 HV2 HV3
> Link policy: HOLD SNIFF PARK
> Link mode: SLAVE ACCEPT
> Name: 'BlueZ (0)'
> Class: 0x000100
> Service Classes: Unspecified
> Device Class: Computer, Uncategorized
> HCI Ver: 1.1 (0x1) HCI Rev: 0x3 LMP Ver: 1.1 (0x1) LMP Subver:
> 0x800
> Manufacturer: Broadcom Corporation (15)
What does "hciconfig hci0 revision" say? These versions look a little
bit wrong.
Regards
Marcel
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* Re: [Bluez-users] can't establish a connection
2004-08-17 21:42 ` Marcel Holtmann
@ 2004-08-17 21:49 ` ben4fun
2004-08-18 7:37 ` Marcel Holtmann
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From: ben4fun @ 2004-08-17 21:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Hi Marcel,
> so adding the broken ISOC quirk would be enough to make this dongle work
> again. Maybe the last time I tested it, I had the SCO support disabled.
>
Is this something to add in the kernel settings?
> What does "hciconfig hci0 revision" say? These versions look a little
> bit wrong.
>
hciconfig hci0 revision
hci0: Type: USB
BD Address: 00:02:72:B3:43:18 ACL MTU: 377:10 SCO MTU: 16:0
Unsupported manufacturer
Regards
Ben
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* Re: [Bluez-users] can't establish a connection
2004-08-17 21:49 ` ben4fun
@ 2004-08-18 7:37 ` Marcel Holtmann
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From: Marcel Holtmann @ 2004-08-18 7:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ben4fun; +Cc: BlueZ Mailing List
Hi Ben,
> > so adding the broken ISOC quirk would be enough to make this dongle work
> > again. Maybe the last time I tested it, I had the SCO support disabled.
> Is this something to add in the kernel settings?
===== drivers/bluetooth/hci_usb.c 1.54 vs edited =====
--- 1.54/drivers/bluetooth/hci_usb.c 2004-07-31 12:57:14 +02:00
+++ edited/drivers/bluetooth/hci_usb.c 2004-08-17 23:32:42 +02:00
@@ -96,7 +96,7 @@
{ USB_DEVICE(0x0a5c, 0x2033), .driver_info = HCI_IGNORE },
/* Broadcom BCM2035 */
- { USB_DEVICE(0x0a5c, 0x200a), .driver_info = HCI_RESET },
+ { USB_DEVICE(0x0a5c, 0x200a), .driver_info = HCI_RESET | HCI_BROKEN_ISOC },
/* ISSC Bluetooth Adapter v3.1 */
{ USB_DEVICE(0x1131, 0x1001), .driver_info = HCI_RESET },
> > What does "hciconfig hci0 revision" say? These versions look a little
> > bit wrong.
> hciconfig hci0 revision
> hci0: Type: USB
> BD Address: 00:02:72:B3:43:18 ACL MTU: 377:10 SCO MTU: 16:0
> Unsupported manufacturer
Update your libs and utils. The current version is 2.10.
Regards
Marcel
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