[Bluez-users] bluez/alsa modules vs kernel

[Bluez-users] bluez/alsa modules vs kernel

[walt shekrota]

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What is the relative difference in installation for someone using a headset with alsa in modules vs alsa in the kernel? Is it just the patch step in btsco? (ie kernel directory)
 
 Thanks.
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Re: [Bluez-users] bluez/alsa modules vs kernel

[Brad Midgley]

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btsco only works through a kernel module, not as a kernel built-in. (You'd
have to patch the kernel to do it as a built in)

On 6/12/07, walt shekrota <penguinacity@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> What is the relative difference in installation for someone using a
> headset with alsa in modules vs alsa in the kernel? Is it just the patch
> step in btsco? (ie kernel directory)
>
> Thanks.
> -Walt
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Re: [Bluez-users] bluez/alsa modules vs kernel

[walt shekrota]

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Hi,
 
 Isn't there an alsa interface that can be used without patching?
 ie Do all applications that use alsa when it's in the kernel, patch?
 
 Thanks.
 -Walt

Brad Midgley <bmidgley@gmail.com> wrote: btsco only works through a kernel module, not as a kernel built-in. (You'd have to patch the kernel to do it as a built in)

On 6/12/07, walt shekrota  <penguinacity@yahoo.com> wrote:What is the relative difference in installation for someone using a headset with alsa in modules vs alsa in the kernel? Is it just the patch step in btsco? (ie kernel directory) 
 
 Thanks.
 -Walt
    

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Re: [Bluez-users] bluez/alsa modules vs kernel

[Brad Midgley]

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walt


> Isn't there an alsa interface that can be used without patching?
> ie Do all applications that use alsa when it's in the kernel, patch?



I'm not sure what you're asking. Have you tried out plugz are you only
talking about btsco? Also which headset are you working with?

There is a recommended kernel patch regardless of which approach you use for
voice headsets. See plugz/patches for the sco-flowcontrol patch.

Brad

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Re: [Bluez-users] bluez/alsa modules vs kernel

[walt shekrota]

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Ok maybe this more appropriately describes my concern. I am using btsco. Why can't the code just use the alsa driver why must there be a headset component driver? ie I change the driver in skype to headset not alsa for my sound card.
 In my mind if that were the case it would always be a kernel component interfaced with that doesn't break in every release.
 
 Thanks for any info.
 -Walt
 
Brad Midgley <bmidgley@gmail.com> wrote: walt


 Isn't there an alsa interface that can be used without patching? 
 ie Do all applications that use alsa when it's in the kernel, patch?


I'm not sure what you're asking. Have you tried out plugz are you only talking about btsco? Also which headset are you working with? 

There is a recommended kernel patch regardless of which approach you use for voice headsets. See plugz/patches for the sco-flowcontrol patch.

Brad
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Re: [Bluez-users] bluez/alsa modules vs kernel

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a lot of this is covered in
http://bluetooth-alsa.sourceforge.net/history.html

On 6/16/07, walt shekrota <penguinacity@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Ok maybe this more appropriately describes my concern. I am using btsco.
> Why can't the code just use the alsa driver why must there be a headset
> component driver? ie I change the driver in skype to headset not alsa for my
> sound card.
> In my mind if that were the case it would always be a kernel component
> interfaced with that doesn't break in every release.
>
> Thanks for any info.
> -Walt
>
> *Brad Midgley <bmidgley@gmail.com>* wrote:
>
> walt
>
>
> > Isn't there an alsa interface that can be used without patching?
> > ie Do all applications that use alsa when it's in the kernel, patch?
>
>
>
> I'm not sure what you're asking. Have you tried out plugz are you only
> talking about btsco? Also which headset are you working with?
>
> There is a recommended kernel patch regardless of which approach you use
> for voice headsets. See plugz/patches for the sco-flowcontrol patch.
>
> Brad
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Re: [Bluez-users] bluez/alsa modules vs kernel

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yeah I see choose a new name I get the picture.
 
 Would be nice to include some rough dates there to be a history so we can get an idea of flow.
 so when was plugz started and what are the goals?
 Since plugz is not in the gentoo portage tree yet from what I can see I assume it to be VERY young. Also the powers that correlate these packages for release are very wary of security and design issues these days and seem looking for reasons to exclude.
 
 So on the new package hows the doc etc?
 
 Thanks
 -Walt
 
 Brad Midgley <bmidgley@gmail.com> wrote: a lot of this is covered in http://bluetooth-alsa.sourceforge.net/history.html

On 6/16/07,  walt shekrota <penguinacity@yahoo.com> wrote:Ok maybe this more appropriately describes my concern. I am using btsco. Why can't the code just use the alsa driver why must there be a headset component driver? ie I change the driver in skype to headset not alsa for my sound card. 
 In my mind if that were the case it would always be a kernel component interfaced with that doesn't break in every release.
 
 Thanks for any info.
 -Walt
 
Brad Midgley < bmidgley@gmail.com> wrote:  walt


 Isn't there an alsa interface that can be used without patching?  
 ie Do all applications that use alsa when it's in the kernel, patch?


I'm not sure what you're asking. Have you tried out  plugz are you only talking about btsco? Also which headset are you working with? 

There is a recommended kernel patch regardless of which approach you use for voice headsets. See plugz/patches for the sco-flowcontrol patch. 

Brad

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Re: [Bluez-users] bluez/alsa modules vs kernel

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Ok now I see where the plugz plugin is in the doc. You have to understand if anyone sat down and read your doc end to end they would go insane. Unfortunately I chose to ignore a little too much. This was actually my point that something like this should exist. 
 So where is plugz in terms of adoption? Like I was saying I don't see it anywhere in particular.... gentoo, ubuntu. (other than CVS)
 
 See your prereq list is a little scarey these type dependency should be taken care of in the  install process after it has reached some adoption level in the community.
 
 Is there any distro that is including it as an option that you know of?
 Thanks.
 -Walt
 
 walt shekrota <penguinacity@yahoo.com> wrote: yeah I see choose a new name I get the picture.
 
 Would be nice to include some rough dates there to be a history so we can get an idea of flow.
 so when was plugz started and what are the goals?
 Since plugz is not in the gentoo portage tree yet from what I can see I assume it to be VERY young. Also the powers that correlate these packages for release are very wary of security and design issues these days and seem looking for reasons to exclude.
 
 So on the new package hows the doc etc?
 
 Thanks
 -Walt
 
 Brad Midgley <bmidgley@gmail.com> wrote: a lot of this is covered in http://bluetooth-alsa.sourceforge.net/history.html

On 6/16/07,  walt shekrota <penguinacity@yahoo.com> wrote:Ok maybe this more appropriately describes my concern. I am using btsco. Why can't the code just use the alsa driver why must there be a headset component driver? ie I change the driver in skype to headset not alsa for my sound card. 
 In my mind if that were the case it would always be a kernel component interfaced with that doesn't break in every release.
 
 Thanks for any info.
 -Walt
 
Brad Midgley < bmidgley@gmail.com> wrote:  walt


 Isn't there an alsa interface that can be used without patching?  
 ie Do all applications that use alsa when it's in the kernel, patch?


I'm not sure what you're asking. Have you tried out plugz are you only talking about btsco? Also which headset are you working with? 

There is a recommended kernel patch regardless of which approach you use for voice headsets. See plugz/patches for the sco-flowcontrol patch. 

Brad

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Re: [Bluez-users] bluez/alsa modules vs kernel

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Walt


> So where is plugz in terms of adoption? Like I was saying I don't see it
> anywhere in particular.... gentoo, ubuntu. (other than CVS)



some form of a2dpd etc from plugz will appear in the access linux platform.
For the rest of us, plugz is a working example we refer back to when
implementing the audio service that is going into bluez utils core. Then it
will be deployed pretty widely.

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Hi,
 
 Ok being I never saw this page before I tried the plugz install on an (k)ubuntu 6.06.
 All the instruction went great. I loaded the extra libc6/libbluetooth2/libbluetooth2-dev ok.
 I started the headsetd and paired the headset but saw no driver to select in apps.
 sdptool browse shows permission denied on my headset address while hcitool dev responds fine. Also I created the asoundrc as from the example pointed to.
 
 Any ideas?
 
 Thanks.
 I have a feeling it's something goofy.
 -Walt
 
 Brad Midgley <bmidgley@gmail.com> wrote: Walt


 So where is plugz in terms of adoption? Like I was saying I don't see it anywhere in particular.... gentoo, ubuntu. (other than CVS) 

some form of a2dpd etc from plugz will appear in the access linux platform. For the rest of us, plugz is a working example we refer back to when implementing the audio service that is going into bluez utils core. Then it will be deployed pretty widely. 

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Re: [Bluez-users] bluez/alsa modules vs kernel

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sorry I meant hcitool inq.... it sees the headset.
 -Walt

walt shekrota <penguinacity@yahoo.com> wrote: Hi,
 
 Ok being I never saw this page before I tried the plugz install on an (k)ubuntu 6.06.
 All the instruction went great. I loaded the extra libc6/libbluetooth2/libbluetooth2-dev ok.
 I started the headsetd and paired the headset but saw no driver to select in apps.
 sdptool browse shows permission denied on my headset address while hcitool dev responds fine. Also I created the asoundrc as from the example pointed to.
 
 Any ideas?
 
 Thanks.
 I have a feeling it's something goofy.
 -Walt
 
 Brad Midgley <bmidgley@gmail.com> wrote: Walt


 So where is plugz in terms of adoption? Like I was saying I don't see it anywhere in particular.... gentoo, ubuntu. (other  than CVS) 

some form of a2dpd etc from plugz will appear in the access linux platform. For the rest of us, plugz is a working example we refer back to when implementing the audio service that is going into bluez utils core. Then it will be deployed pretty widely. 

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