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From: pg@btrfs.list.sabi.co.UK (Peter Grandi)
To: Linux fs Btrfs <linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Unexpected raid1 behaviour
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2017 10:36:00 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <23095.39440.745253.138723@tree.ty.sabi.co.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <be7e5573-4247-89bd-00f0-7d84120ce582@oracle.com>

>> I haven't seen that, but I doubt that it is the radical
>> redesign of the multi-device layer of Btrfs that is needed to
>> give it operational semantics similar to those of MD RAID,
>> and that I have vaguely described previously.

> I agree that btrfs volume manager is incomplete in view of
> data center RAS requisites, there are couple of critical
> bugs and inconsistent design between raid profiles, but I
> doubt if it needs a radical redesign.

Well it needs a radical redesign because the original design was
based on an entirely consistent and logical concept that was
quite different from that required for sensible operations, and
then special-case case was added (and keeps being added) to
fix the consequences.

But I suspect that it does not need a radical *recoding*,
because most if not all of the needed code is already there.
All tha needs changing most likely is the member state-machine,
that's the bit that need a radical redesign, and it is a
relatively small part of the whole.

The closer the member state-machine design is to the MD RAID one
the better as it is a very workable, proven model.

Sometimes I suspect that the design needs to be changed to also
add a formal notion of "stripe" to the Btrfs internals, where a
"stripe" is a collection of chunks that are "related" (and
something like that is already part of the 'raid10' profile),
but I think that needs not be user-visible.

  reply	other threads:[~2017-12-18 10:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-12-16 19:50 Unexpected raid1 behaviour Dark Penguin
2017-12-17 11:58 ` Duncan
2017-12-17 15:48   ` Peter Grandi
2017-12-17 20:42     ` Chris Murphy
2017-12-18  8:49       ` Anand Jain
2017-12-18  8:49     ` Anand Jain
2017-12-18 10:36       ` Peter Grandi [this message]
2017-12-18 12:10       ` Nikolay Borisov
2017-12-18 13:43         ` Anand Jain
2017-12-18 22:28       ` Chris Murphy
2017-12-18 22:29         ` Chris Murphy
2017-12-19 12:30         ` Adam Borowski
2017-12-19 12:54         ` Andrei Borzenkov
2017-12-19 12:59         ` Peter Grandi
2017-12-18 13:06     ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2017-12-18 19:43       ` Tomasz Pala
2017-12-18 22:01         ` Peter Grandi
2017-12-19 12:46           ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2017-12-19 12:25         ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2017-12-19 14:46           ` Tomasz Pala
2017-12-19 16:35             ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2017-12-19 17:56               ` Tomasz Pala
2017-12-19 19:47                 ` Chris Murphy
2017-12-19 21:17                   ` Tomasz Pala
2017-12-20  0:08                     ` Chris Murphy
2017-12-23  4:08                       ` Tomasz Pala
2017-12-23  5:23                         ` Duncan
2017-12-20 16:53                   ` Andrei Borzenkov
2017-12-20 16:57                     ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2017-12-20 20:02                     ` Chris Murphy
2017-12-20 20:07                       ` Chris Murphy
2017-12-20 20:14                         ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2017-12-21  1:34                           ` Chris Murphy
2017-12-21 11:49                         ` Andrei Borzenkov
2017-12-19 20:11                 ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2017-12-19 21:58                   ` Tomasz Pala
2017-12-20 13:10                     ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2017-12-19 23:53                   ` Chris Murphy
2017-12-20 13:12                     ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2017-12-19 18:31             ` George Mitchell
2017-12-19 20:28               ` Tomasz Pala
2017-12-19 19:35             ` Chris Murphy
2017-12-19 20:41               ` Tomasz Pala
2017-12-19 20:47                 ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2017-12-19 22:23                   ` Tomasz Pala
2017-12-20 13:33                     ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2017-12-20 17:28                       ` Duncan
2017-12-21 11:44                   ` Andrei Borzenkov
2017-12-21 12:27                     ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2017-12-22 16:05                       ` Tomasz Pala
2017-12-22 21:04                         ` Chris Murphy
2017-12-23  2:52                           ` Tomasz Pala
2017-12-23  5:40                             ` Duncan
2017-12-19 23:59                 ` Chris Murphy
2017-12-20  8:34                   ` Tomasz Pala
2017-12-20  8:51                     ` Tomasz Pala
2017-12-20 19:49                     ` Chris Murphy
2017-12-18  5:11   ` Anand Jain
2017-12-18  1:20 ` Qu Wenruo
2017-12-18 13:31 ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2018-01-12 12:26   ` Dark Penguin

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