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From: Daniel Lezcano <daniel.lezcano@oss.qualcomm.com>
To: Dmitry Baryshkov <dmitry.baryshkov@oss.qualcomm.com>
Cc: Gaurav Kohli <gaurav.kohli@oss.qualcomm.com>,
	Konrad Dybcio <konrad.dybcio@oss.qualcomm.com>,
	Bjorn Andersson <andersson@kernel.org>,
	Mathieu Poirier <mathieu.poirier@linaro.org>,
	Rob Herring <robh@kernel.org>,
	Krzysztof Kozlowski <krzk+dt@kernel.org>,
	Conor Dooley <conor+dt@kernel.org>,
	Amit Kucheria <amit.kucheria@oss.qualcomm.com>,
	Manivannan Sadhasivam <mani@kernel.org>,
	Konrad Dybcio <konradybcio@kernel.org>,
	Kees Cook <kees@kernel.org>,
	"Gustavo A. R. Silva" <gustavoars@kernel.org>,
	cros-qcom-dts-watchers@chromium.org,
	linux-arm-msm@vger.kernel.org, linux-remoteproc@vger.kernel.org,
	devicetree@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-pm@vger.kernel.org, linux-hardening@vger.kernel.org,
	Manaf Meethalavalappu Pallikunhi
	<manaf.pallikunhi@oss.qualcomm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 01/10] dt-bindings: firmware: qcom: tmd: add TMD device type constants
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2026 10:23:26 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3b9f1b3d-4c06-4006-82d5-d59ce2101070@oss.qualcomm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d7dqqj3qctbqdani5frdwpooppo2sq5odru6s4hxoj6d42sihb@fad3nuhunazt>



Le 09/07/2026 à 09:58, Dmitry Baryshkov a écrit :
> On Thu, Jul 09, 2026 at 09:42:04AM +0200, Daniel Lezcano wrote:
>>
>>
>> Le 09/07/2026 à 09:37, Dmitry Baryshkov a écrit :
>>> On Thu, Jul 09, 2026 at 10:54:26AM +0530, Gaurav Kohli wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 7/8/2026 7:55 PM, Dmitry Baryshkov wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, Jul 07, 2026 at 03:55:13PM +0530, Gaurav Kohli wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 7/7/2026 1:04 AM, Dmitry Baryshkov wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 06, 2026 at 08:11:35PM +0200, Daniel Lezcano wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 7/6/26 19:47, Dmitry Baryshkov wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 06, 2026 at 07:03:18PM +0200, Daniel Lezcano wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 7/3/26 17:42, Dmitry Baryshkov wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 03, 2026 at 07:43:39PM +0530, Gaurav Kohli wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/3/2026 1:23 PM, Konrad Dybcio wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/3/26 7:03 AM, Gaurav Kohli wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Add Device Tree binding constants for Qualcomm Thermal Mitigation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Device (TMD) types used by remoteproc-backed thermal cooling devices.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Qualcomm remote processors expose thermal mitigation endpoints
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> through QMI. These endpoints can be registered with the thermal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> framework via the `#cooling-cells` property on the remoteproc node.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The QMI TMD protocol identifies devices using string names (for example,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "pa", "modem", and "cdsp_sw"), while the DT cooling-device binding with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> `#cooling-cells = <3>` requires numeric device id in the form:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>          <&phandle device_id min_state max_state>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Define common TMD device index constants shared across currently
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> supported platforms. If a future target requires a different mapping,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> additional target-specific constants can be introduced while preserving
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> existing DT ABI.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Signed-off-by: Gaurav Kohli <gaurav.kohli@oss.qualcomm.com>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [ ... ]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Why are you using only those TMD devices?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> More constants can be added as needed.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Kodiak is one of the supported platforms.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What would be the benefit of having more than thirteen cooling devices
>>>>>>>>>> declared in the thermal framework and having only a couple of them mapped in
>>>>>>>>>> a thermal zone ?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I agree there are more TMDs but if they are unused for the moment, why do we
>>>>>>>>>> need to add them ? Can we do that incrementally ?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's what I am trying to understand: why the implementation uses only
>>>>>>>>> the selected two devices, if the modem on Kodiak supports others. How
>>>>>>>>> can we find out, which TMDs to use on other devices.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My understanding is that is an initial thermal setup. Gaurav will add them
>>>>>>>> step by step while setting up all the thermal zones instead of sending a big
>>>>>>>> patchset. And TBH, that will be much easier to review.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In such a case it should be noted in the commit message and/or cover
>>>>>>> letter.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for the review/guidance. Not all TMD endpoints are relevant for
>>>>>> kernel thermal zone binding — some like BCL and cold temperature are handled
>>>>>> from userspace when needed. The constants here cover only
>>>>>
>>>>> What if there is no userspace? Or the userspace is different from what
>>>>> you expect? I doubt we have TMD-speaking userspace yet.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for mail, The TMD userspace implementation is available upstream at
>>>> https://github.com/qualcomm/qmi-framework.
>>>
>>> Is it?
>>>
>>> lumag@rohan:/tmp/qmi-framework$ git grep -i tmd
>>> lumag@rohan:/tmp/qmi-framework$
>>>
>>> I found no traces of TMD there. Moreover, I don't see why QMI framework
>>> implementation would react to thermal events.
>>>
>>>>>> what is needed for modem and CDSP thermal zones on the currently posted
>>>>>> targets.
>>>>>
>>>>> Again, SLPI, ADSP?
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, I should have said "generic subsystems" rather than listing specific
>>>> ones. SLPI and ADSP do not require active thermal mitigation on these
>>>> platforms.
>>>
>>> Could you please provide details, then. What is cpuv_restriction_cold
>>> TMD?
>>
>> It warms up the zone when the temperature is too cold
> 
> So, if we ever get back to supporting warming up, these TMDs would
> become relevant. Am I right?
Probably

Can we do some progress with these TMDs definition ?

Spending 95% of the effort to discuss 1% of the proposed changes, which 
is always DT discussion, is quite frustrating :/

You want to add all defines for existing TMDs for all platforms ?

We are talking about numerical values right ? Why is it a problem to add 
their define later ?


  reply	other threads:[~2026-07-09  8:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-07-03  5:03 [PATCH v4 00/10] Add support for Qualcomm remoteproc subsystem cooling Gaurav Kohli
2026-07-03  5:03 ` [PATCH v4 01/10] dt-bindings: firmware: qcom: tmd: add TMD device type constants Gaurav Kohli
2026-07-03  7:47   ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-07-03 10:14     ` Gaurav Kohli
2026-07-03  7:52   ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-07-03 10:31     ` Gaurav Kohli
2026-07-03  7:53   ` Konrad Dybcio
2026-07-03 14:13     ` Gaurav Kohli
2026-07-03 15:42       ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2026-07-06 17:03         ` Daniel Lezcano
2026-07-06 17:47           ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2026-07-06 18:11             ` Daniel Lezcano
2026-07-06 19:21               ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-07-08 11:16                 ` Gaurav Kohli
2026-07-06 19:34               ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2026-07-07 10:25                 ` Gaurav Kohli
2026-07-08 14:25                   ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2026-07-09  5:24                     ` Gaurav Kohli
2026-07-09  7:37                       ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2026-07-09  7:42                         ` Daniel Lezcano
2026-07-09  7:58                           ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2026-07-09  8:23                             ` Daniel Lezcano [this message]
2026-07-21  6:48                               ` Gaurav Kohli
2026-07-21 23:02                               ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2026-07-03  5:03 ` [PATCH v4 02/10] dt-bindings: remoteproc: qcom,pas: add #cooling-cells property Gaurav Kohli
2026-07-03  5:15   ` sashiko-bot
2026-07-03  7:49   ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-07-05  8:41     ` Gaurav Kohli
2026-07-03  5:03 ` [PATCH v4 03/10] soc: qcom: Add QMI TMD support for remote thermal mitigation Gaurav Kohli
2026-07-03  5:17   ` sashiko-bot
2026-07-03  8:03   ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-07-05  9:37     ` Gaurav Kohli
2026-07-03 18:09   ` Julian Braha
2026-07-05  9:50     ` Gaurav Kohli
2026-07-03  5:03 ` [PATCH v4 04/10] remoteproc: qcom: pas: add support for TMD thermal cooling devices Gaurav Kohli
2026-07-03  5:22   ` sashiko-bot
2026-07-03  7:56   ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-07-05  9:56     ` Gaurav Kohli
2026-07-03  5:03 ` [PATCH v4 05/10] remoteproc: qcom_q6v5_pas: enable QMI TMD cooling support Gaurav Kohli
2026-07-03  5:23   ` sashiko-bot
2026-07-06 17:08   ` Daniel Lezcano
2026-07-03  5:03 ` [PATCH v4 06/10] arm64: dts: qcom: kodiak: Enable CDSP & Modem cooling Gaurav Kohli
2026-07-03  7:51   ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-07-03 15:48   ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2026-07-05 10:19     ` Gaurav Kohli
2026-07-03  5:03 ` [PATCH v4 07/10] arm64: dts: qcom: lemans: Enable CDSP cooling Gaurav Kohli
2026-07-03  5:18   ` sashiko-bot
2026-07-03  5:03 ` [PATCH v4 08/10] arm64: dts: qcom: talos: " Gaurav Kohli
2026-07-03  5:03 ` [PATCH v4 09/10] arm64: dts: qcom: monaco: " Gaurav Kohli
2026-07-03  5:03 ` [PATCH v4 10/10] arm64: dts: qcom: hamoa: " Gaurav Kohli

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