From: Neil Armstrong <neil.armstrong@linaro.org>
To: Dmitry Baryshkov <dmitry.baryshkov@oss.qualcomm.com>
Cc: Linus Walleij <linusw@kernel.org>,
Krzysztof Kozlowski <krzk@kernel.org>,
Jun Nie <jun.nie@linaro.org>,
Rob Clark <robin.clark@oss.qualcomm.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 5/6] dt-bindings: display: Add Synaptics panel support
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2026 10:27:05 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <c23f91fd-a5d5-46a2-b4d7-3e33a87a348e@linaro.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <cqo2n43vq4v7txg6j7ss6dyzpnqdbm265m5xedjtrp5tn7b56c@xlqtrwvpvoly>
On 10/5/26 13:15, Dmitry Baryshkov wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 05, 2026 at 10:54:41AM +0200, Neil Armstrong wrote:
>> On 10/5/26 04:22, Dmitry Baryshkov wrote:
>>> On Sun, Oct 04, 2026 at 05:51:44PM +0200, Neil Armstrong wrote:
>>>> On 10/1/26 02:43, Dmitry Baryshkov wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, Sep 30, 2026 at 09:18:55PM +0200, Neil Armstrong wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/30/26 21:04, Dmitry Baryshkov wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 30, 2026 at 06:43:47PM +0200, Neil Armstrong wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 9/30/26 09:44, Linus Walleij wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 29, 2026 at 3:35 PM Krzysztof Kozlowski <krzk@kernel.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This entire binding seems like stitching two devices together, which
>>>>>>>>>> might be fine (I don't even remember this stuff... two months old) or
>>>>>>>>>> might be artificial grouping of separate devices.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think that's a good point and fair pushback.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Neil and Jun talk about it yesterday at XDC (1:15 into the stream):
>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tNGW8PoSzw
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The current binding does not reflect the physical topology of the
>>>>>>>>> actual device, and the bindings need improvements. I have a feeling
>>>>>>>>> there is one display controller with two physical panels.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No there's really 2 controller and 2 separate panels, but they are not
>>>>>>>> classic panel, they are a pair of panels+lens which are in front of
>>>>>>>> the eyes which forms a single "image" for the brain, so they are
>>>>>>>> technically a single display and requires to be hard synchronized.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes. However this approach makes it impossible to share the code between
>>>>>>> the double-panel drivers and single-panel drivers. I think, that the
>>>>>>> panel driver should still reference a single glass+DDIC, while letting
>>>>>>> the DSI host driver to handle the bifurcation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, and no, it must really be considered as a "single panel driven by 2 identical controllers",
>>>>>> and even this is really purely software implementation issue.
>>>>>
>>>>> [...]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Describing both panels into separate nodes would only be possible
>>>>>>>> if we described a "VR display complex" nodes linked to both panels
>>>>>>>> but this would probably be solved by actually describing the "display"
>>>>>>>> linked to a DDIC controller and is out of subject for this serie,
>>>>>>>> and can be added later when we properly define things.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I like the VR complex idea. In the end, you have two modes which you
>>>>>>> most likely might want to support:
>>>>>>> - L+R, having double-width CRTC scanning over a double-width framebuffer
>>>>>>> - Mx2, having a single-width CRTC and a single-width framebuffer
>>>>>>> displaying the same picture to both eyes. I can imaging that knowing
>>>>>>> about L+R might be an explicit opt-in feature of the DRM interface.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This makes no sense to support both modes, and this will never be used,
>>>>>> and anyway this is purely software implementation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We're defining bindings here, describing the real reality, not hypothetical
>>>>>> situation that will never happen.
>>>>>
>>>>> Let's ignore software issues. On the hardware side, you have two
>>>>> distinct DSI panels, each having its own set of controls, own DSI link
>>>>> and own backlight control.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> OK so let's see the problem in another angle, if we had 2 DS links 2 physical
>>>> controllers, 2 physically distinct panels but forms an unique display.
>>>
>>> Imaging the case: through the time the backlight LEDs on the right eye
>>> age faster than the ones on the left eye, so we need to apply dynamic
>>> correction to the backlight, dynamically calibrating the coefficient to
>>> be applied to the LED brightness (or even worse, dynamically applieing
>>> the _curve_ to compensate for the brightness difference).
>>>
>>> Note, I don't have any information here, if such a difference can exist
>>> or if it can appear through the time, or if the xR DDICs can handle it
>>> on its own via a pre-programmed LUT, so you can totally say that the
>>> argument is moot and I won't even argue here.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Describing it in separate distincts nodes is wrong since it doesn't reflect
>>>> that it's an unified display, so either we define :
>>>> - a "combined-display" bridge defined as:
>>>> - a separate top node in / like connectors with a graph from the DSI links to each panel
>>>> - a DSI subnode with 2 panels as subnode, port graph from both dsi to both sub-panels
>>>> - a "R63455" panel bindings with 2 subpanels as Linus shared in https://lore.kernel.org/all/CAD++jLkyEPY5cFg_pHb71yG52iLwS9tQDpcHu=TTBknQMeFctw@mail.gmail.com/
>>>>
>>>> I think it would be interesting to have the "combined-display", with a connector-like node,
>>>> which will do all the split-dsi dual-panel logic for us and leave use implementing simple panel
>>>> drivers.
>>>>
>>>> The outline would be:
>>>>
>>>> =====><=======================================
>>>> / {
>>>>
>>>> xr-display {
>>>> compatible = "combined-display";
>>>>
>>>> ports {
>>>> port@0 {
>>>> combined_dsi0: endpoint {
>>>> remote-endpoint = <&dsi0_out>;
>>>> };
>>>> };
>>>> port@1 {
>>>> combined_dsi1: endpoint {
>>>> remote-endpoint = <&dsi1_out>;
>>>> };
>>>> };
>>>> port@2 {
>>>> combined_panel0: endpoint {
>>>> remote-endpoint = <&r63455_right_in>;
>>>> };
>>>> };
>>>> port@3 {
>>>> combined_panel1: endpoint {
>>>> remote-endpoint = <&r63455_left_in>;
>>>> };
>>>> };
>>>> };
>>>> };
>>>> };
>>>
>>> This is an interesting approach and it would be a requirement, if we
>>> ever have a device with 4 DSI hosts which can driver two sets of XR
>>> panels (there would be no other way to understand, which pairs of panels
>>> are bundled together). I am not sure if it needs to be an OF graph
>>> device or if it can simply reference the DSI devices. Or if it can
>>> reference panels (which is not the same).
>>
>> I mean we could imagine combine any number of panels to form a combined display,
>> 2 or 4 DSI links would be handled the same.
>
> I was thinking about 2 combined display example. In this case you can't
> figure it out in software without extra hint.
>
>>
>>>
>>> Another question, do we need to list any other devices here? regulators?
>>> sensors? maybe proximity sensor? cameras? I'm thinking from the
>>> 4-host-2-xr point of view, because if we don't have 4 DSI hosts, we
>>> don't need to describe anything. We already know all the hardware
>>> properies and connections, the rest is really just a software plumbing.
>>
>> The regulators would be in the panel nodes, for the associated peripherals
>> like sensors & cameras they are not physically tied to the display so
>> it's only software plumbing.
>
> regulators yes, they are described. Think about the 2 XR units being
> driven by the same "base". I think, you would at least need to link the
> cameras to the enclosure. Otherwise you will have a 2x number of cameras
> and no idea which of the enclosures they belong to.
>
This is highly improbable, and I don't think it's the priority right now anyway.
Neil
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-10-08 8:27 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-07-27 8:08 [PATCH v5 0/6] Add support to 2 panels in bonded-DSI mode Jun Nie
2026-07-27 8:08 ` [PATCH v5 1/6] dt-bindings: display: panel: Modify reset gpio number constrain Jun Nie
2026-07-27 8:18 ` sashiko-bot
2026-07-27 20:23 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-07-29 8:01 ` Jun Nie
2026-07-29 8:05 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-07-29 8:17 ` Jun Nie
2026-07-27 20:24 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-07-27 8:08 ` [PATCH v5 2/6] drm/msm/dsi: support DSC configurations with slice_per_pkt > 1 Jun Nie
2026-09-29 16:03 ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2026-09-30 13:42 ` Jun Nie
2026-09-30 19:39 ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2026-07-27 8:08 ` [PATCH v5 3/6] drm/mipi-dsi: Add flag to support dual-panel configurations Jun Nie
2026-09-29 16:05 ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2026-09-30 13:52 ` Jun Nie
2026-09-30 19:43 ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2026-10-04 13:58 ` Jun Nie
2026-10-05 2:03 ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2026-07-27 8:08 ` [PATCH v5 4/6] drm/msm/dsi: Support dual panel use case with single CRTC Jun Nie
2026-07-27 8:25 ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-29 16:20 ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2026-09-30 16:10 ` Jun Nie
2026-10-01 0:23 ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2026-07-27 8:08 ` [PATCH v5 5/6] dt-bindings: display: Add Synaptics R63455 panel support Jun Nie
2026-07-27 8:18 ` sashiko-bot
2026-07-27 9:47 ` Rob Herring (Arm)
2026-07-27 20:42 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-07-27 20:29 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-09-29 12:54 ` Linus Walleij
2026-09-29 13:35 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-09-30 7:44 ` Linus Walleij
2026-09-30 16:26 ` Jun Nie
2026-09-30 16:43 ` Neil Armstrong
2026-09-30 19:04 ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2026-09-30 19:18 ` Neil Armstrong
2026-10-01 0:43 ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2026-10-04 15:51 ` [PATCH v5 5/6] dt-bindings: display: Add Synaptics " Neil Armstrong
2026-10-04 20:22 ` Linus Walleij
2026-10-05 8:56 ` Neil Armstrong
2026-10-05 2:22 ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2026-10-05 8:54 ` Neil Armstrong
2026-10-05 11:15 ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2026-10-08 8:27 ` Neil Armstrong [this message]
2026-10-08 9:47 ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2026-09-30 19:58 ` [PATCH v5 5/6] dt-bindings: display: Add Synaptics R63455 " Linus Walleij
2026-09-29 16:27 ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2026-07-27 8:08 ` [PATCH v5 6/6] drm/panel: Add driver for Synaptics R63455 DSI panel Jun Nie
2026-07-27 8:20 ` sashiko-bot
2026-07-30 8:43 ` Jun Nie
2026-09-29 13:02 ` Linus Walleij
2026-09-30 16:31 ` Jun Nie
2026-09-30 19:48 ` Linus Walleij
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