From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
Hidehiro Kawai <hidehiro.kawai.ez@hitachi.com>,
sct@redhat.com, adilger@sun.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, jack@suse.cz,
sugita <yumiko.sugita.yf@hitachi.com>,
Satoshi OSHIMA <satoshi.oshima.fk@hitachi.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH] ext3: don't read inode block if the buffer has a write error
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 20:01:46 -0700 (PDT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0806231958010.2926@woody.linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080623191733.52c3491c.akpm@linux-foundation.org>
On Mon, 23 Jun 2008, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > I don't know why it was done like this, or if anybody actually tested
> > any of it, but AFAIKS the best way to fix this is to simply not
> > clear any uptodate bits upon write errors.
>
> There's a plausible-sounding reason for this behaviour which I forgot
> about three years ago. Maybe Linus remembers?
We have to drop the data at _some_ point. Maybe some errors are transient,
but a whole lot aren't. Jank out your USB memory stick, and those writes
will continue fail. So you can't just keep things dirty - and that also
implies that the buffer sure as heck isn't up-to-date either.
Yes, we could haev a "retry once or twice", but quite frankly, that has
always been left to the low-level driver. By the time the buffer cache or
page cache sees the error, it should be considered more than "transient",
and the data in memory is simply not _useful_ any more.
So clearing the uptodate bit seems to be the logical thing to do. But on
the other hand, it's probably not helping much either, so I don't
personally care if we keep it "uptodate" - as long as the dirty bit
doesn't get set, and as long as there is *some* way to get rid of the bad
buffer later.
Linus
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-06-24 3:02 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-06-23 11:25 [RFC][PATCH] ext3: don't read inode block if the buffer has a write error Hidehiro Kawai
2008-06-23 11:46 ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-23 12:31 ` Jan Kara
2008-06-23 12:36 ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-24 2:17 ` Andrew Morton
2008-06-24 3:01 ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2008-06-24 3:17 ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-24 3:42 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-06-24 13:03 ` Hidehiro Kawai
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