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From: "Chen, Kenneth W" <kenneth.w.chen@intel.com>
To: 'Nick Piggin' <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
Cc: 'Christoph Lameter' <clameter@sgi.com>,
	Zoltan Menyhart <Zoltan.Menyhart@bull.net>,
	"Boehm, Hans" <hans.boehm@hp.com>,
	"Grundler, Grant G" <grant.grundler@hp.com>,
	akpm@osdl.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-ia64@vger.kernel.org
Subject: RE: Synchronizing Bit operations V2
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 18:57:08 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200603311856.k2VIuPg04814@unix-os.sc.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <442CDB98.80803@yahoo.com.au>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0603301615540.2023@schroedinger.engr.sgi.com>

Nick Piggin wrote on Thursday, March 30, 2006 11:35 PM
> > >The memory ordering that above combination should produce is a
> > >Linux style smp_mb before the clear_bit. Not a release.
> > 
> > Whoever designed the smp_mb_before/after_* clearly understand the
> > difference between a bidirectional smp_mb() and a one-way memory
> > ordering.  If smp_mb_before/after are equivalent to smp_mb, what's
> > the point of introducing another interface?
> > 
> They are not. They provide equivalent barrier when performed
> before/after a clear_bit, there is a big difference.

The usage so far that I can see for

  smp_mb__before_clear_bit()
  clear_bit

is to close a critical section with clear_bit.  I will be hard impressed
to see a usage that allows stuff follows clear_bit to pass clear_bit, but
not to pass the smp_mb_before_xxx.

<end of critical section>
  smp_mb_before_clear_bit
  clear_bit
<begin other code>

But if you stand on the ground of smp_mb_before_xxx protects clear_bit
from occurring before the "end of critical section", then smp_mb_before
is such a brain dead interface and it is another good reason for having
an explicit ordering mode built into the clear_bit. 

  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-03-31 18:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-03-30 21:02 Bit operations with the ability to specify a synchronization mode Christoph Lameter
2006-03-31  0:18 ` Synchronizing Bit operations V2 Christoph Lameter
2006-03-31  0:39   ` Chen, Kenneth W
2006-03-31  0:42     ` Christoph Lameter
2006-03-31  0:45     ` Christoph Lameter
2006-03-31  0:42   ` David Mosberger-Tang
2006-03-31  0:49     ` Christoph Lameter
2006-03-31  6:10     ` Chris Wright
2006-03-31  0:44   ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-31  3:28     ` Christoph Lameter
2006-03-31  4:12       ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-31 17:43         ` Christoph Lameter
2006-04-01  2:56           ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-31  0:50   ` Chen, Kenneth W
2006-03-31  0:51     ` Christoph Lameter
2006-03-31  0:53   ` Chen, Kenneth W
2006-03-31  0:55     ` Christoph Lameter
2006-03-31  0:56   ` Luck, Tony
2006-03-31  0:58     ` Christoph Lameter
2006-04-02  7:59       ` Russell King
2006-03-31  0:59   ` Chen, Kenneth W
2006-03-31  1:09     ` Christoph Lameter
2006-03-31  1:04   ` Chen, Kenneth W
2006-03-31  1:13     ` Christoph Lameter
2006-03-31  1:13   ` Chen, Kenneth W
2006-03-31  1:29   ` Chen, Kenneth W
2006-03-31  1:37     ` Christoph Lameter
2006-03-31  1:33   ` linux
2006-03-31  1:40     ` Christoph Lameter
2006-03-31  2:35   ` Chen, Kenneth W
2006-03-31  2:37     ` Christoph Lameter
2006-03-31  2:45   ` Chen, Kenneth W
2006-03-31  2:53     ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-31  3:01     ` Christoph Lameter
2006-03-31  2:51   ` Chen, Kenneth W
2006-03-31  2:55     ` Christoph Lameter
2006-03-31  3:02   ` Chen, Kenneth W
2006-03-31  3:08     ` Christoph Lameter
2006-03-31  3:10   ` Chen, Kenneth W
2006-03-31  3:12     ` Christoph Lameter
2006-03-31  3:11   ` Chen, Kenneth W
2006-03-31  3:14   ` Chen, Kenneth W
2006-03-31  3:20     ` Christoph Lameter
2006-03-31  3:17   ` Chen, Kenneth W
2006-03-31  3:23   ` Chen, Kenneth W
2006-03-31  3:37   ` Chen, Kenneth W
2006-03-31  6:15   ` Chen, Kenneth W
2006-03-31  7:34     ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-31 13:28   ` Andi Kleen
2006-03-31 16:22     ` Hans Boehm
2006-03-31 16:37       ` Andi Kleen
2006-03-31 17:46         ` Christoph Lameter
2006-03-31 17:45     ` Christoph Lameter
2006-03-31 17:48       ` Andi Kleen
2006-03-31 17:56         ` Christoph Lameter
2006-04-02  7:54           ` Russell King
2006-03-31 18:57   ` Chen, Kenneth W [this message]
2006-03-31 19:41   ` Chen, Kenneth W
2006-03-31 21:15     ` Christoph Lameter
2006-03-31 21:24   ` Chen, Kenneth W
2006-03-31 21:28     ` Christoph Lameter
2006-04-01  2:16       ` Nick Piggin

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