From: Richard Patel <ripatel@wii.dev>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: x86@kernel.org, Rick Edgecombe <rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com>,
Yu-cheng Yu <yu-cheng.yu@intel.com>,
Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@kernel.org>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>, Kees Cook <kees@kernel.org>,
Shuah Khan <shuah@kernel.org>,
linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/7] Usermode Indirect Branch Tracking
Date: Mon, 18 May 2026 16:25:40 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ags9hFcExPnQlu8V@wii.dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260518073616.GQ3102624@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net>
On Mon, May 18, 2026 at 09:36:16AM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> Anyway, the most contentious part was the whole backwards compat bitmap
> crap. When the dynamic linker composes a process of parts that support
> IBT and parts that do not, you get to deal with fallout.
Is it acceptable to do all-or-nothing IBT first? And then do a second
round of patches with legacy support?
Until then, ld.so could:
- start with IBT, disable it upon loading incompatible DSO
- allow users to manually lock IBT
I thought this weak form of IBT is better than nothing at all, if
there's a risk that legacy support derails things.
Btw, apparently OpenBSD enforces kernel+user IBT. I think the end goal
is a user_ibt=force command-line param that locks IBT for all processes
on startup.
> The IBT spec has this horrid bitmap thing to try and deal with this, and
> those early patches exposed that piece of shit to userspace. Then later
> patches (suggested by me) used the ARM64/BTI approach of using PROT_BTI.
> We'd use a (software) page-table bit, and upon #CP consult that to see
> if we should eat the trap or produce a warn/signal whatever.
Nice, I'm happy to revive/rebase/test any of this if there's interest.
> I think we were near something workable there when Rick got pulled from
> this and put onto something more 'important' and things just haven't
> moved ever since.
>
> Anyway, glad to see someone has time to poke at this.
Happy to spend whatever time is needed to land IBT. I'm very glad the
first reaction wasn't "absolutely no way" :-)
Thank you,
-Richard
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-05-18 16:25 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-05-17 18:30 [PATCH 0/7] Usermode Indirect Branch Tracking Richard Patel
2026-05-17 18:30 ` [PATCH 1/7] x86: add userspace IBT config option Richard Patel
2026-05-17 18:30 ` [PATCH 2/7] x86: shstk: don't clobber IBT bits in U_CET MSR Richard Patel
2026-05-17 18:30 ` [PATCH 3/7] x86: signal handler support for IBT Richard Patel
2026-05-17 18:30 ` [PATCH 4/7] x86: ban 32-bit sigreturn when user IBT enabled Richard Patel
2026-05-18 20:22 ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-05-19 0:14 ` Richard Patel
2026-05-17 18:30 ` [PATCH 5/7] x86: expose user IBT via PR_CFI_BRANCH_LANDING_PADS Richard Patel
2026-05-18 6:46 ` Richard Patel
2026-05-17 18:30 ` [PATCH 6/7] x86/entry/vdso: build with IBT support Richard Patel
2026-05-17 18:30 ` [PATCH 7/7] selftests/x86: test usermode IBT Richard Patel
2026-05-18 7:36 ` [PATCH 0/7] Usermode Indirect Branch Tracking Peter Zijlstra
2026-05-18 16:25 ` Richard Patel [this message]
2026-05-18 19:31 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-05-19 9:33 ` David Laight
2026-05-19 9:40 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-05-19 13:14 ` Richard Patel
2026-05-19 13:28 ` David Laight
2026-05-19 14:18 ` Richard Patel
2026-05-19 14:42 ` Peter Zijlstra
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