From: "Kevin D. Kissell" <kevink@mips.com>
To: "Daniel Jacobowitz" <dan@debian.org>
Cc: "Dominic Sweetman" <dom@algor.co.uk>,
"Ralf Baechle" <ralf@oss.sgi.com>,
"Ulrich Drepper" <drepper@redhat.com>,
"Mike Uhler" <uhler@mips.com>,
"MIPS/Linux List \(SGI\)" <linux-mips@oss.sgi.com>,
"H . J . Lu" <hjl@lucon.org>
Subject: Re: thread-ready ABIs
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 18:34:42 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <00cc01c1a36b$15cbf200$0deca8c0@Ulysses> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 20020122121330.A16110@nevyn.them.org
> > > Perhaps I'm mangling terminology. LinuxThreads is a one-to-one
mapping
> > > of kernel threads to user threads. All the kernel threads, and thus
> > > all the user threads, share the same memory region - including the
> > > stack region. Their stacks are differentiated solely by different
> > > values in the stack pointer register. Thus I don't think what you're
> > > suggesting is possible.
> >
> > I don't see how fork() semantics can be preserved unless
> > the stack regions are replicated (copy-on-write) on a fork().
> > Under ATT and BSD Unix (which is where I did most of
> > my kernel hacking in the old days) that was the *only*
> > way to get a new kernel thread, so it was "obvious"
> > that my proposed hack would work. Linux does have
> > the clone() function as well, and if LinuxThreads are
> > implemented in terms of clone(foo, stakptr, CLONE_VM, arg),
> > you are correct, the proposed scheme would not work
> > without modification.
>
> Which it is. Fork shares no memory regions;
Oh, come on. If it doesn't share text regions, it's completely
brain dead!
> vfork/clone share all memory regions. AFAIK there is no
> share-heap-but-not-stack option in Linux.
Yeah. Not that it matters, but I had misremebered there being
finer grained control than that on clone(). Probably confused
it with something that someone overlaid on Mach once upon a time...
Anyway, do you see a hole or a serious performance
problem with my modified proposal (explicit mmap()
to create the necessary storage)?
Regards,
Kevin K.
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From: "Kevin D. Kissell" <kevink@mips.com>
To: Daniel Jacobowitz <dan@debian.org>
Cc: Dominic Sweetman <dom@algor.co.uk>,
Ralf Baechle <ralf@oss.sgi.com>,
Ulrich Drepper <drepper@redhat.com>, Mike Uhler <uhler@mips.com>,
"MIPS/Linux List (SGI)" <linux-mips@oss.sgi.com>,
"H . J . Lu" <hjl@lucon.org>
Subject: Re: thread-ready ABIs
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 18:34:42 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <00cc01c1a36b$15cbf200$0deca8c0@Ulysses> (raw)
Message-ID: <20020122173442.BPMr9E9zsHYoEt5vtFKVV8l9ugPl4jA5GjtMJku0qVE@z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 20020122121330.A16110@nevyn.them.org
> > > Perhaps I'm mangling terminology. LinuxThreads is a one-to-one
mapping
> > > of kernel threads to user threads. All the kernel threads, and thus
> > > all the user threads, share the same memory region - including the
> > > stack region. Their stacks are differentiated solely by different
> > > values in the stack pointer register. Thus I don't think what you're
> > > suggesting is possible.
> >
> > I don't see how fork() semantics can be preserved unless
> > the stack regions are replicated (copy-on-write) on a fork().
> > Under ATT and BSD Unix (which is where I did most of
> > my kernel hacking in the old days) that was the *only*
> > way to get a new kernel thread, so it was "obvious"
> > that my proposed hack would work. Linux does have
> > the clone() function as well, and if LinuxThreads are
> > implemented in terms of clone(foo, stakptr, CLONE_VM, arg),
> > you are correct, the proposed scheme would not work
> > without modification.
>
> Which it is. Fork shares no memory regions;
Oh, come on. If it doesn't share text regions, it's completely
brain dead!
> vfork/clone share all memory regions. AFAIK there is no
> share-heap-but-not-stack option in Linux.
Yeah. Not that it matters, but I had misremebered there being
finer grained control than that on clone(). Probably confused
it with something that someone overlaid on Mach once upon a time...
Anyway, do you see a hole or a serious performance
problem with my modified proposal (explicit mmap()
to create the necessary storage)?
Regards,
Kevin K.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2002-01-22 18:34 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 94+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
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2002-01-18 18:19 ` thread-ready ABIs H . J . Lu
2002-01-18 18:31 ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-01-18 19:08 ` H . J . Lu
2002-01-18 19:20 ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-01-19 12:14 ` Dominic Sweetman
2002-01-19 12:14 ` Dominic Sweetman
2002-01-20 0:14 ` Ralf Baechle
2002-01-18 20:03 ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2002-01-18 20:20 ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-01-18 20:50 ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2002-01-18 21:02 ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-01-18 21:35 ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2002-01-18 21:44 ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-01-18 22:17 ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2002-01-18 21:23 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-01-19 0:35 ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-19 0:35 ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-19 4:11 ` H . J . Lu
2002-01-19 12:27 ` Dominic Sweetman
2002-01-19 19:42 ` H . J . Lu
2002-01-21 13:27 ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2002-01-19 22:21 ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-19 22:21 ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-20 10:38 ` Machida Hiroyuki
2002-01-20 11:58 ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-20 11:58 ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-20 13:16 ` Machida Hiroyuki
2002-01-22 6:27 ` patches for test-and-set without ll/sc (Re: thread-ready ABIs) Machida Hiroyuki
2002-01-22 6:37 ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-01-22 6:46 ` Machida Hiroyuki
2002-01-22 6:56 ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-01-24 9:56 ` Andreas Jaeger
2002-01-24 9:56 ` Andreas Jaeger
2002-01-20 19:19 ` thread-ready ABIs H . J . Lu
2002-01-21 9:39 ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-21 9:39 ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-21 13:56 ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2002-01-21 18:24 ` H . J . Lu
2002-01-21 18:36 ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-01-21 18:52 ` H . J . Lu
2002-01-21 18:58 ` H . J . Lu
2002-01-21 18:59 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-01-21 19:05 ` H . J . Lu
2002-01-21 19:09 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-01-21 19:18 ` H . J . Lu
2002-01-21 21:04 ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-21 21:04 ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-21 19:30 ` Geoff Keating
2002-01-21 21:07 ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-01-21 13:43 ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2002-01-20 0:24 ` Ralf Baechle
2002-01-21 23:22 ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-01-21 23:57 ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-21 23:57 ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-22 0:16 ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-01-22 0:16 ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-01-22 9:37 ` Dominic Sweetman
2002-01-22 9:37 ` Dominic Sweetman
2002-01-22 17:41 ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-01-22 17:41 ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-01-22 9:59 ` Dominic Sweetman
2002-01-22 9:59 ` Dominic Sweetman
2002-01-22 12:18 ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-22 12:18 ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-22 15:21 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-01-22 15:44 ` Dominic Sweetman
2002-01-22 21:44 ` Tommy S. Christensen
2002-01-22 21:53 ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-22 21:53 ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-22 23:13 ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-22 23:13 ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-23 1:12 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2002-01-22 16:05 ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-22 16:05 ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-22 16:34 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-01-22 17:08 ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-22 17:08 ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-22 17:13 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-01-22 17:34 ` Kevin D. Kissell [this message]
2002-01-22 17:34 ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-22 17:37 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-01-22 17:47 ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-22 17:47 ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-22 17:57 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-01-22 18:18 ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-22 18:18 ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-27 20:24 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-27 20:24 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-28 8:50 ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-28 8:50 ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-22 1:39 ` Richard Henderson
2002-01-18 21:24 Justin Carlson
2002-01-18 21:31 ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-01-18 21:42 ` Maciej W. Rozycki
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