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From: Harry Yoo <harry@kernel.org>
To: "Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)" <vbabka@kernel.org>,
	Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>
Cc: Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>,
	Hao Li <hao.li@linux.dev>, Christoph Lameter <cl@gentwo.org>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Usama Arif <usama.arif@linux.dev>,
	Meta kernel team <kernel-team@meta.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Danielle Costantino <dcostantino@meta.com>,
	Kees Cook <kees@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm/slub: serve slabobj_ext array from a strictly larger kmalloc cache
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2026 16:03:30 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5ebd3c4a-5c06-43b4-ab0a-7a8f0396c84c@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <c5c4208d-a6f0-413e-bad9-49be12f12d55@kernel.org>



On 6/30/26 3:12 PM, Vlastimil Babka (SUSE) wrote:
> On 6/30/26 07:29, Suren Baghdasaryan wrote:
>> On Mon, Jun 29, 2026 at 9:42 PM Harry Yoo <harry@kernel.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/30/26 1:39 PM, Suren Baghdasaryan wrote:
>>>> On Mon, Jun 29, 2026 at 9:38 PM Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>
>>> Ah, here I meant backporting either the kmalloc_flags()+KMALLOC_TYPE or
>>> SLAB_BUCKETS approach.
>>>
>>>>> Yes, it's worth backporting, so we can merge Shakeel's change as is
>>>
>>> Right.
>>>
>>>>> and then once Vlastimil's patch is merged we can implement the new
>>>
>>> Vlastimil's patch has already landed mainline, by the way :)
>>
>> Nice! I suggest posting Shakeel's patch CC'ing stable for backports
>> and then following up with the fix using KMALLOC_TYPE. Vlastimil,
>> WDYT?
> 
> Sounded like a plan, but then I realized I misunderstood the amount of the
> wastage. E.g. on my system kmalloc-8k with 4 objects per slab would have
> obj_ext size of 64, but now it's 16k? That's ridiculous.

Right.

...which is why I was assuming either the KMALLOC_TYPE or SLAB_BUCKETS
approach would be backported as a follow-up. Err, should have
communicated clearly, apologies.

> I think it will> even self-amplify to some extent? kmalloc-8 would
have 512 objects per slab,
> so its obj_ext is 8k. It will not recursively create an obj_ext for the> obj_ext, but other 8k allocation in the same kmalloc-8k slab could then
> trigger it, right?

True, assuming that by 'self-amplifying' you meant this patch creates
more kmalloc-8k objects, and also now kmalloc-8k wastes memory memory.

> We could say it's for a debugging feature, but also it's running in
> production fleets (and Android?), so probably not that easy to dismiss.

I think a key factor is when it's enabled in production.

kconfigs says Android selects MEM_ALLOC_PROFILING, but not
MEM_ALLOC_PROFILING_ENABLED_BY_DEFAULT.

I assumed that turning it on by default in the entire fleet
would be bit hard to justify... (please correct me,
if it's not the case)

> Sudden memory increase in a LTS due to this backport doesn't sound nice to me.

-- 
Cheers,
Harry / Hyeonggon



  reply	other threads:[~2026-06-30  7:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-06-25 23:00 [PATCH] mm/slub: serve slabobj_ext array from a strictly larger kmalloc cache Shakeel Butt
2026-06-26  4:22 ` Harry Yoo
2026-06-26 16:49   ` Shakeel Butt
2026-06-26 17:11     ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-06-28  2:58       ` Shakeel Butt
2026-06-28  3:23         ` Shakeel Butt
2026-06-28  7:47           ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-06-28  9:22             ` Harry Yoo
2026-06-28 23:37               ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-06-29  3:57                 ` Harry Yoo
2026-06-29  4:28                   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-06-29 19:52                     ` Shakeel Butt
2026-06-30  2:03                       ` Harry Yoo
2026-06-30  2:30                     ` Harry Yoo
2026-06-30  4:38                       ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-06-30  4:39                         ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-06-30  4:42                           ` Harry Yoo
2026-06-30  5:29                             ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-06-30  6:12                               ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-06-30  7:03                                 ` Harry Yoo [this message]
2026-06-30 14:35                                   ` Shakeel Butt
2026-06-30 14:52                                     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-06-30 15:27                                       ` Harry Yoo
2026-06-30 23:55                                         ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-07-01  4:30                                           ` Harry Yoo
2026-07-01  4:53                                             ` Harry Yoo
2026-07-01  7:42                                               ` Harry Yoo
2026-07-01  8:43                                                 ` Harry Yoo
2026-07-01 10:31                                                   ` Harry Yoo
2026-07-01 11:37                                                 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-06-28  8:10       ` Harry Yoo
2026-06-28  8:36         ` Harry Yoo

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