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From: Harry Yoo <harry@kernel.org>
To: Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>
Cc: "Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)" <vbabka@kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>,
	Hao Li <hao.li@linux.dev>, Christoph Lameter <cl@gentwo.org>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Usama Arif <usama.arif@linux.dev>,
	Meta kernel team <kernel-team@meta.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Danielle Costantino <dcostantino@meta.com>,
	Kees Cook <kees@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm/slub: serve slabobj_ext array from a strictly larger kmalloc cache
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2026 00:27:17 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <c4eab53b-c54d-4f1e-a4ff-8d86b8d32503@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJuCfpE4BwDpt08iXtdh_nqRR5TGzGTdHzGZWYayC7t6V1O49w@mail.gmail.com>


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On 6/30/26 11:52 PM, Suren Baghdasaryan wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2026 at 7:36 AM Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev> wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2026 at 04:03:30PM +0900, Harry Yoo wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/30/26 3:12 PM, Vlastimil Babka (SUSE) wrote:
>>>> On 6/30/26 07:29, Suren Baghdasaryan wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, Jun 29, 2026 at 9:42 PM Harry Yoo <harry@kernel.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/30/26 1:39 PM, Suren Baghdasaryan wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 29, 2026 at 9:38 PM Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ah, here I meant backporting either the kmalloc_flags()+KMALLOC_TYPE or
>>>>>> SLAB_BUCKETS approach.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, it's worth backporting, so we can merge Shakeel's change as is
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Right.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and then once Vlastimil's patch is merged we can implement the new
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Vlastimil's patch has already landed mainline, by the way :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Nice! I suggest posting Shakeel's patch CC'ing stable for backports
>>>>> and then following up with the fix using KMALLOC_TYPE. Vlastimil,
>>>>> WDYT?
>>>>
>>>> Sounded like a plan, but then I realized I misunderstood the amount of the
>>>> wastage. E.g. on my system kmalloc-8k with 4 objects per slab would have
>>>> obj_ext size of 64, but now it's 16k? That's ridiculous.
>>>
>>> Right.
>>
>> Yeah I should have given more thought on wastage.
> 
> Ugh! I didn't realize the wastage was that high.

Ouch!

>>> ...which is why I was assuming either the KMALLOC_TYPE or SLAB_BUCKETS
>>> approach would be backported as a follow-up. Err, should have
>>> communicated clearly, apologies.
>>
>> Harry, do you want to take a stab at prototyping these? If these look simple
>> enough, we can request backports of this.

Ack, let's see what would be the minimal changes to resolve this.

> I'll also give it some thought to see if there is maybe a different
> way to fix this that would be easy to backport.

Thanks, let's discuss!

>>>> We could say it's for a debugging feature, but also it's running in
>>>> production fleets (and Android?), so probably not that easy to dismiss.
>>>
>>> I think a key factor is when it's enabled in production.
>>>
>>> kconfigs says Android selects MEM_ALLOC_PROFILING, but not
>>> MEM_ALLOC_PROFILING_ENABLED_BY_DEFAULT.
>>>
>>> I assumed that turning it on by default in the entire fleet
>>> would be bit hard to justify... (please correct me,
>>> if it's not the case)
>>
>> Actually we have memory profiling enabled by default across Meta fleet. So, the
>> issue is very real.

I see, thanks for clarifying.

>> At the moment, we are seeing this issue on a specific
>> type of machine and we have disabled memory profiling for those machines.
>> Internally we did discuss to simply disable memory allocation profiling for
>> kmalloc-normal caches but to me that was a big hammer and thus suggested the
>> current approach.

-- 
Cheers,
Harry / Hyeonggon

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  reply	other threads:[~2026-06-30 15:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-06-25 23:00 [PATCH] mm/slub: serve slabobj_ext array from a strictly larger kmalloc cache Shakeel Butt
2026-06-26  4:22 ` Harry Yoo
2026-06-26 16:49   ` Shakeel Butt
2026-06-26 17:11     ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-06-28  2:58       ` Shakeel Butt
2026-06-28  3:23         ` Shakeel Butt
2026-06-28  7:47           ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-06-28  9:22             ` Harry Yoo
2026-06-28 23:37               ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-06-29  3:57                 ` Harry Yoo
2026-06-29  4:28                   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-06-29 19:52                     ` Shakeel Butt
2026-06-30  2:03                       ` Harry Yoo
2026-06-30  2:30                     ` Harry Yoo
2026-06-30  4:38                       ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-06-30  4:39                         ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-06-30  4:42                           ` Harry Yoo
2026-06-30  5:29                             ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-06-30  6:12                               ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-06-30  7:03                                 ` Harry Yoo
2026-06-30 14:35                                   ` Shakeel Butt
2026-06-30 14:52                                     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-06-30 15:27                                       ` Harry Yoo [this message]
2026-06-28  8:10       ` Harry Yoo
2026-06-28  8:36         ` Harry Yoo

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