From: Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>
To: Harry Yoo <harry@kernel.org>
Cc: "Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)" <vbabka@kernel.org>,
Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>,
Hao Li <hao.li@linux.dev>, Christoph Lameter <cl@gentwo.org>,
David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
Usama Arif <usama.arif@linux.dev>,
Meta kernel team <kernel-team@meta.com>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Danielle Costantino <dcostantino@meta.com>,
Kees Cook <kees@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm/slub: serve slabobj_ext array from a strictly larger kmalloc cache
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2026 07:35:58 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <akPSjsbjl-UAcdI8@linux.dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5ebd3c4a-5c06-43b4-ab0a-7a8f0396c84c@kernel.org>
On Tue, Jun 30, 2026 at 04:03:30PM +0900, Harry Yoo wrote:
>
>
> On 6/30/26 3:12 PM, Vlastimil Babka (SUSE) wrote:
> > On 6/30/26 07:29, Suren Baghdasaryan wrote:
> >> On Mon, Jun 29, 2026 at 9:42 PM Harry Yoo <harry@kernel.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 6/30/26 1:39 PM, Suren Baghdasaryan wrote:
> >>>> On Mon, Jun 29, 2026 at 9:38 PM Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>> Ah, here I meant backporting either the kmalloc_flags()+KMALLOC_TYPE or
> >>> SLAB_BUCKETS approach.
> >>>
> >>>>> Yes, it's worth backporting, so we can merge Shakeel's change as is
> >>>
> >>> Right.
> >>>
> >>>>> and then once Vlastimil's patch is merged we can implement the new
> >>>
> >>> Vlastimil's patch has already landed mainline, by the way :)
> >>
> >> Nice! I suggest posting Shakeel's patch CC'ing stable for backports
> >> and then following up with the fix using KMALLOC_TYPE. Vlastimil,
> >> WDYT?
> >
> > Sounded like a plan, but then I realized I misunderstood the amount of the
> > wastage. E.g. on my system kmalloc-8k with 4 objects per slab would have
> > obj_ext size of 64, but now it's 16k? That's ridiculous.
>
> Right.
Yeah I should have given more thought on wastage.
>
> ...which is why I was assuming either the KMALLOC_TYPE or SLAB_BUCKETS
> approach would be backported as a follow-up. Err, should have
> communicated clearly, apologies.
Harry, do you want to take a stab at prototyping these? If these look simple
enough, we can request backports of this.
>
> > I think it will> even self-amplify to some extent? kmalloc-8 would
> have 512 objects per slab,
> > so its obj_ext is 8k. It will not recursively create an obj_ext for the> obj_ext, but other 8k allocation in the same kmalloc-8k slab could then
> > trigger it, right?
>
> True, assuming that by 'self-amplifying' you meant this patch creates
> more kmalloc-8k objects, and also now kmalloc-8k wastes memory memory.
>
I am not sure I understand what self-amplifying means here. Shouldn't 8k
allocations served by the same kmalloc-8k slab will share the obj_exts array?
> > We could say it's for a debugging feature, but also it's running in
> > production fleets (and Android?), so probably not that easy to dismiss.
>
> I think a key factor is when it's enabled in production.
>
> kconfigs says Android selects MEM_ALLOC_PROFILING, but not
> MEM_ALLOC_PROFILING_ENABLED_BY_DEFAULT.
>
> I assumed that turning it on by default in the entire fleet
> would be bit hard to justify... (please correct me,
> if it's not the case)
Actually we have memory profiling enabled by default across Meta fleet. So, the
issue is very real. At the moment, we are seeing this issue on a specific
type of machine and we have disabled memory profiling for those machines.
Internally we did discuss to simply disable memory allocation profiling for
kmalloc-normal caches but to me that was a big hammer and thus suggested the
current approach.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-06-30 14:36 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-06-25 23:00 [PATCH] mm/slub: serve slabobj_ext array from a strictly larger kmalloc cache Shakeel Butt
2026-06-26 4:22 ` Harry Yoo
2026-06-26 16:49 ` Shakeel Butt
2026-06-26 17:11 ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-06-28 2:58 ` Shakeel Butt
2026-06-28 3:23 ` Shakeel Butt
2026-06-28 7:47 ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-06-28 9:22 ` Harry Yoo
2026-06-28 23:37 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-06-29 3:57 ` Harry Yoo
2026-06-29 4:28 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-06-29 19:52 ` Shakeel Butt
2026-06-30 2:03 ` Harry Yoo
2026-06-30 2:30 ` Harry Yoo
2026-06-30 4:38 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-06-30 4:39 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-06-30 4:42 ` Harry Yoo
2026-06-30 5:29 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-06-30 6:12 ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-06-30 7:03 ` Harry Yoo
2026-06-30 14:35 ` Shakeel Butt [this message]
2026-06-30 14:52 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-06-30 15:27 ` Harry Yoo
2026-06-30 23:55 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-07-01 4:30 ` Harry Yoo
2026-07-01 4:53 ` Harry Yoo
2026-06-28 8:10 ` Harry Yoo
2026-06-28 8:36 ` Harry Yoo
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