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From: Harry Yoo <harry@kernel.org>
To: Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>
Cc: "Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)" <vbabka@kernel.org>,
	Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>,
	Hao Li <hao.li@linux.dev>, Christoph Lameter <cl@gentwo.org>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Usama Arif <usama.arif@linux.dev>,
	Meta kernel team <kernel-team@meta.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Danielle Costantino <dcostantino@meta.com>,
	Kees Cook <kees@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm/slub: serve slabobj_ext array from a strictly larger kmalloc cache
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2026 11:30:56 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <62969830-4b1f-483d-8fa9-9ce487568570@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJuCfpF78_5CjLsbJLte+B4MzfaSiAmyeH57VLhgLtj8AXD2NA@mail.gmail.com>



On 6/29/26 1:28 PM, Suren Baghdasaryan wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 28, 2026 at 8:57 PM Harry Yoo <harry@kernel.org> wrote:
>>> I think adding a new KMALLOC_TYPE would be the cleanest way to fix
>>> this recursion problem once and for all. This size bumping and the
>>> special case of SLUB_TINY are quite confusing.
>>
>> As mentioned by Vlsatimil, in the long term, using SLAB_BUCKETS
>> infrastructure would be more straightforward than new KMALLOC_TYPE
>> because (I think) the kmalloc type is decided purely based on GFP
>> flags and we need to somehow work around that. SLAB_BUCKETS provides
>> a nice abstraction to do this.
>>
>> Luckily, SLAB_BUCKETS is introduced in v6.11.
>> Unfortunately, SLAB_BUCKETS is optional.
>>
>>> We could define that> new KMALLOC_TYPE only if memory allocation profiling or SLUB_TINY are
>>> enabled to avoid new caches when not needed. Does not seem too complex
>>> but maybe I'm missing something? WDYT?
>>
>> I think we need some enhancements to achieve that with SLAB_BUCKETS
>>
>> 1. Rename SLAB_BUCKETS to SLAB_BUCKETS_HARDENING
>>     (w/ SLAB_BUCKETS being a transitional config for _HARDENING)
>>
>> 2. Make the SLAB_BUCKETS infrastructure unconditional,
>>     but the decision is made at runtime:
>>
>>     1) actually creating a kmem_buckets vs.
>>     2) falling back to kmalloc.
>>
>> 3. kmem_buckets_create() creates kmem_buckets only when
>>     SLAB_BUCKETS_HARDENING is enabled.
>>
>> 4. SLUB decides (not) to create kmem_buckets for internal use
>>     during the boot process. Use the kmem_buckets for obj_exts
>>     array allocation.
>>
>> Side note: this would unconditionally add the kmem_buckets parameter to
>> the kmalloc slowpath. Probably it'd be worth introducing a dedicated
>> entrypoint for kmem_buckets instead.
> 
> Yeah, this sounds quite complex.

I think it's not that complex, but quite some churn, yeah :)

> Maybe we could use the new> kmalloc_flags() introduced by Vlastimil 
 > in [1] to avoid using GFP
> flags to indicate that we want to use this new KMALLOC_TYPE? That
> seems simpler,

That indeed would be smaller changes.

> though it's not backportable because kmalloc_flags() is> brand new.

Right, I didn't seriously consider that option as I was (mistakenly) 
assuming you or Shakeel would want to backport it.

> [1] https://lore.kernel.org/all/20260615-slab_alloc_flags-v3-0-ce1146d140fb@kernel.org/
> 
>>
>>> If it is more complex than I imaging then I'm fine with Shakeel's
>>> approach as a temporary fix.
>>
>> Since above requires quite some changes, I'd say let's proeed with
>> the fix (since it's one line of code change that fixes a bug),
>> and then see how we can make SLAB_BUCKETS changes as minimal
>> as possible for backporting?
> 
> I was thinking Shakeel's approach for backports and
> kmalloc_flags()+KMALLOC_TYPE going forward.

Oh, I misread it then.
I was assuming it's critical enough to bother backporting.

> Just throwing this as an> option. I haven't looked closely into 
 > SLAB_BUCKETS yet, so that might
> be indeed a better direction.
-- 
Cheers,
Harry / Hyeonggon



  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-06-30  2:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-06-25 23:00 [PATCH] mm/slub: serve slabobj_ext array from a strictly larger kmalloc cache Shakeel Butt
2026-06-26  4:22 ` Harry Yoo
2026-06-26 16:49   ` Shakeel Butt
2026-06-26 17:11     ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-06-28  2:58       ` Shakeel Butt
2026-06-28  3:23         ` Shakeel Butt
2026-06-28  7:47           ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-06-28  9:22             ` Harry Yoo
2026-06-28 23:37               ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-06-29  3:57                 ` Harry Yoo
2026-06-29  4:28                   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-06-29 19:52                     ` Shakeel Butt
2026-06-30  2:03                       ` Harry Yoo
2026-06-30  2:30                     ` Harry Yoo [this message]
2026-06-30  4:38                       ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-06-30  4:39                         ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-06-30  4:42                           ` Harry Yoo
2026-06-30  5:29                             ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-06-30  6:12                               ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-06-30  7:03                                 ` Harry Yoo
2026-06-30 14:35                                   ` Shakeel Butt
2026-06-30 14:52                                     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-06-30 15:27                                       ` Harry Yoo
2026-06-30 23:55                                         ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-06-28  8:10       ` Harry Yoo
2026-06-28  8:36         ` Harry Yoo

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