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From: "J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>
To: Tigran Mkrtchyan <tigran.mkrtchyan@desy.de>
Cc: NeilBrown <neilb@suse.de>, Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Trond Myklebust <Trond.Myklebust@netapp.com>,
	Matthew Treinish <treinish@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH/RFC 0/7] Volatile Filehandle Client-side Support
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 11:36:32 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20111113163632.GA28574@fieldses.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAGue13r5BhjWOUF3L8Jd4_T0RmOwL7D=ktwHT_7paug5qEvKmA@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 02:45:48PM +0100, Tigran Mkrtchyan wrote:
> I have a server which runs on top of hadoop. The problem with hadoop
> is that there is no way to have persistent file handles. I am
> currently working on a way to do that - either simulate them or add a
> support for unique file id to hadoop. If linux client will support
> volatile file handles then I can stop inventing some workarounds.

I might call that "fixing" rather than inventing workarounds.

Our of curiosity: if we really wanted to support such filesystems, what
would we need in the protocol?  Just saying "filehandles aren't stable,
deal with it" seems insufficient. 

Say there was some way for the client to indicate which filehandles it
currently has in use, and some way for the server to ask the client to
return in-use filehandles if there are too many (like DELEG_RECALL_ANY).
Then the server could at least place a limit on the number of
filehandles that it had to guarantee persistent.

And/or the client could get a callback on rename/link/unlink.  Bah.

Would any of that actually be easier than implementing persistent file
handles?

--b.

  reply	other threads:[~2011-11-13 16:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-11-11 23:04 [PATCH/RFC 0/7] Volatile Filehandle Client-side Support Matthew Treinish
2011-11-11 23:04 ` [PATCH/RFC 1/7] New mount option for volatile filehandle recovery Matthew Treinish
2011-11-12  0:19   ` Trond Myklebust
2011-11-12  3:35     ` Malahal Naineni
2011-11-11 23:04 ` [PATCH/RFC 2/7] Added support for FH_EXPIRE_TYPE attribute Matthew Treinish
2011-11-11 23:04 ` [PATCH/RFC 3/7] Add VFS objects from nfs4_proc calls into nfs4_exception Matthew Treinish
2011-11-11 23:04 ` [PATCH/RFC 4/7] Save root file handle in nfs_server Matthew Treinish
2011-11-11 23:04 ` [PATCH/RFC 5/7] Added VFH FHEXPIRED recovery functions Matthew Treinish
2011-11-12  0:27   ` Trond Myklebust
2011-11-12  3:45     ` Malahal Naineni
2011-11-12 17:16       ` Trond Myklebust
2011-11-14 21:12         ` Matthew Treinish
2011-11-11 23:04 ` [PATCH/RFC 6/7] Perform recovery on both inodes for rename Matthew Treinish
2011-11-11 23:04 ` [PATCH/RFC 7/7] Added error handling for NFS4ERR_FHEXPIRED Matthew Treinish
2011-11-11 23:04 ` [PATCH/RFC] Hard code testing on server <ONLY FOR TESTING> Matthew Treinish
2011-11-12  0:13 ` [PATCH/RFC 0/7] Volatile Filehandle Client-side Support Trond Myklebust
2011-11-12 14:49   ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-11-13  3:54     ` NeilBrown
2011-11-13 13:45       ` Tigran Mkrtchyan
2011-11-13 16:36         ` J. Bruce Fields [this message]
2011-11-13 21:07           ` NeilBrown
2011-11-14  0:42             ` J. Bruce Fields
2011-11-14  1:26               ` NeilBrown
2011-11-14 17:27             ` Trond Myklebust
2011-11-15  6:33             ` Trond Myklebust
2012-01-13 17:09               ` Malahal Naineni
2012-01-14  1:38                 ` J. Bruce Fields
2012-01-16 16:52                   ` Malahal Naineni
2012-01-17 15:18                     ` J. Bruce Fields
2012-01-17 17:22                       ` Malahal Naineni
2012-01-17 18:47                         ` J. Bruce Fields
2012-01-17 19:43                           ` Malahal Naineni
2011-11-14 16:29         ` Trond Myklebust
2011-11-13 16:42       ` J. Bruce Fields
2011-11-13 16:45         ` J. Bruce Fields
2011-11-13 18:25           ` Matthew Treinish
2011-11-13 18:06       ` Matthew Treinish
2011-11-14  9:09         ` Tigran Mkrtchyan
2011-11-14 21:47           ` Matthew Treinish
2011-11-15  6:49         ` Trond Myklebust
2011-11-15 22:38           ` Matthew Treinish

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