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From: Hannes Reinecke <hare@suse.de>
To: Ming Lei <ming.lei@redhat.com>, Daniel Wagner <dwagner@suse.de>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>, Keith Busch <kbusch@kernel.org>,
	linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org, Sagi Grimberg <sagi@grimberg.me>,
	Lawrence Troup <ltroup@cisco.com>,
	Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH V3] nvme-pci: allow unmanaged interrupts
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2024 12:18:05 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <0fc55448-e73e-426b-b105-40ce0401348a@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZoSuhqlKvKyyMQn5@fedora>

On 7/3/24 03:51, Ming Lei wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 02, 2024 at 06:28:19PM +0200, Daniel Wagner wrote:
>> On Tue, Jul 02, 2024 at 08:12:11PM GMT, Ming Lei wrote:
>>> On Tue, Jul 02, 2024 at 01:50:02PM +0200, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
>>>> On Tue, Jul 02, 2024 at 06:41:12PM +0800, Ming Lei wrote:
>>>>> From: Keith Busch <kbusch@kernel.org>
>>>>>
>>>>> People _really_ want to control their interrupt affinity in some
>>>>> cases, such as Openshift with Performance profile, in which each
>>>>> irq's affinity is completely specified from userspace. Turns out
>>>>> that 'isolcpus=managed_irqs' isn't enough.
>>>>>
>>>>> Add module parameter to allow unmanaged interrupts, just as some
>>>>> SCSI drivers are doing.
>>>>
>>>> Same as before: hell no.  We can't just add hacky global kernel
>>>> parameters everywhere.  We need the cpu isolation infrastructure to
>>>> work properly instead of piling hacks of hacks in every relevant driver.
>>>
>>> Per my understanding, here cpu isolation infrastructure can't work for
>>> Openshift, in which IO workload can be run on applications which are executed
>>> on isolated CPUs, meantime userspace do expect that interrupts can be
>>> triggered on user-specified CPU cores only in controllable way.
>>>
>>> Marcelo and Lawrence may have more input in this area.
>>>
>>> Also irq allocation really belongs to device & driver stuff, how can that be
>>> hack? We even may not abstract public API in block layer for handling
>>> irq related thing.
>>
>> I am confused. I though you told me that my series 'nvme-pci: honor
>> isolcpus configuration' is not necessary. But you still need this patch
> 
> Your patch fixes nothing basically, meantime it introduces regression. But
> I don't object the approach if blk-mq regressions can be solved.
> 
>> to get the affinity sorted out? Wouldn't it make sense to figure out how
>> we can make my series working also for your use case? E.g. we could
>> introduce another HK type (io_queue) to control the affinity. This would
>> decouple if from the managed_irq option.
> 
> Adding new HK type can't help this issue because Openshift environment needs
> to control each irq's affinity by themselves dynamically, and even IO workload
> may be run on isolated CPUs.
> 
Understood, but that is what Daniel is working on, namely split the pool 
of available interrupts such that each side (housekeeping and isolcpus) 
gets a fair share of interrupts.

Cheers,

Hannes
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  reply	other threads:[~2024-07-16 10:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-07-02 10:41 [PATCH V3] nvme-pci: allow unmanaged interrupts Ming Lei
2024-07-02 11:50 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-07-02 12:12   ` Ming Lei
2024-07-02 12:20     ` Lawrence Troup (ltroup)
2024-07-02 15:28       ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-07-03  1:57         ` Ming Lei
2024-07-03  5:24           ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-07-02 16:28     ` Daniel Wagner
2024-07-03  1:51       ` Ming Lei
2024-07-16 10:18         ` Hannes Reinecke [this message]
2024-07-15 16:03 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2024-07-15 16:23   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2024-07-16  4:29   ` Christoph Hellwig

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