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From: Max Gurtovoy <mgurtovoy@nvidia.com>
To: Chao Leng <lengchao@huawei.com>, Sagi Grimberg <sagi@grimberg.me>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Cc: linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org, kbusch@kernel.org,
	"linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org" <linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] nvme-rdma: set ack timeout of RoCE to 262ms
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2022 03:05:26 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1bd4d4f6-fe33-7fe5-f662-cdef61acf800@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <328a807f-bfaf-b279-69c5-09be179891ac@huawei.com>

Sorry for late response, we have holiday's in my country.

I still can't understand how this patch fixes your problem if you use 
ConnectX-5 since we use adaptive re-transmission by default and it's 
faster than 256msec to re-transmit.

Did you disable it ?

I'll try to re-spin it internally again.

On 10/10/2022 12:12 PM, Chao Leng wrote:
> Hi, Max
>     Can you give some comment? Thank you.
>
> On 2022/8/29 21:15, Chao Leng wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 2022/8/29 17:06, Sagi Grimberg wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>> If so, which devices did you use ?
>>>>>> The host HBA is Mellanox Technologies MT27800 Family [ConnectX-5];
>>>>>> The switch and storage are huawei equipments.
>>>>>> In principle, switches and storage devices from other vendors
>>>>>> have the same problem.
>>>>>> If you think it is necessary, we can test the other vendor switchs
>>>>>> and linux target.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why is the 2s default chosen, what is the downside for a 250ms 
>>>>> seconds ack timeout? and why is nvme-rdma different than all other 
>>>>> kernel rdma
>>>> The downside is redundant retransmit if the packets delay more than
>>>> 250ms in the networks and finally reaches the receiver.
>>>> Only in extreme scenarios, the packet delay may exceed 250 ms.
>>>
>>> Sounds like the default needs to be changed if it only addresses the
>>> extreme scenarios...
>>>
>>>>> consumers that it needs to set this explicitly?
>>>> The real-time transaction services are sensitive to the delay.
>>>> nvme-rdma will be used in real-time transactions.
>>>> The real-time transaction services do not allow that the packets
>>>> delay more than 250ms in the networks.
>>>> So we need to set the ack timeout to 262ms.
>>>
>>> While I don't disagree with the change itself, I do disagree why this
>>> needs to be driven by nvme-rdma locally. If all kernel rdma consumers
>>> need this (and if not, I'd like to understand why), this needs to be 
>>> set in the rdma core.Changing the default set in the rdma core is 
>>> another option.
>> But it will affect all application based on RDMA.
>> Max, what do you think? Thank you.
>>> .
>>
>> .


  reply	other threads:[~2022-10-14  0:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-08-19  7:58 [PATCH] nvme-rdma: set ack timeout of RoCE to 262ms Chao Leng
2022-08-21  6:20 ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-08-22  9:50   ` Chao Leng
2022-08-22 15:30     ` Max Gurtovoy
2022-08-25  9:58       ` Chao Leng
2022-08-28 14:57         ` Sagi Grimberg
2022-08-29  8:05           ` Chao Leng
2022-08-29  9:06             ` Sagi Grimberg
2022-08-29 13:15               ` Chao Leng
2022-10-10  9:12                 ` Chao Leng
2022-10-14  0:05                   ` Max Gurtovoy [this message]
2022-10-14  2:15                     ` Chao Leng
2022-11-16  2:24                       ` Chao Leng

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