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From: "Christian König" <christian.koenig@amd.com>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
Cc: "Matthew Brost" <matthew.brost@intel.com>,
	"Kasireddy, Vivek" <vivek.kasireddy@intel.com>,
	"Simona Vetter" <simona.vetter@ffwll.ch>,
	"dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org"
	<dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	"intel-xe@lists.freedesktop.org" <intel-xe@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	"Bjorn Helgaas" <bhelgaas@google.com>,
	"Logan Gunthorpe" <logang@deltatee.com>,
	"linux-pci@vger.kernel.org" <linux-pci@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Thomas Hellström" <thomas.hellstrom@linux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 1/5] PCI/P2PDMA: Don't enforce ACS check for device functions of Intel GPUs
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2025 15:48:59 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5f9f8cb6-2279-4692-b83d-570cf81886ab@amd.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250923133839.GL1391379@nvidia.com>

On 23.09.25 15:38, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 23, 2025 at 03:28:53PM +0200, Christian König wrote:
>> On 23.09.25 15:12, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
>>>> When you want to communicate addresses in a device specific address
>>>> space you need a device specific type for that and not abuse
>>>> phys_addr_t.
>>>
>>> I'm not talking about abusing phys_addr_t, I'm talking about putting a
>>> legitimate CPU address in there.
>>>
>>> You can argue it is hack in Xe to reverse engineer the VRAM offset
>>> from a CPU physical, and I would be sympathetic, but it does allow
>>> VFIO to be general not specialized to Xe.
>>
>> No, exactly that doesn't work for all use cases. That's why I'm
>> pushing back so hard on using phys_addr_t or CPU addresses.
>>
>> See the CPU address is only valid temporary because the VF BAR is
>> only a window into the device memory.
> 
> I know, generally yes.
> 
> But there should be no way that a VFIO VF driver in the hypervisor
> knows what is currently mapped to the VF's BAR. The only way I can
> make sense of what Xe is doing here is if the VF BAR is a static
> aperture of the VRAM..
> 
> Would be nice to know the details.

Yeah, that's why i asked how VFIO gets the information which parts of the it's BAR should be part of the DMA-buf?

That would be really interesting to know.

Regards,
Christian.

>  
>> What Simona agreed on is exactly what I proposed as well, that you
>> get a private interface for exactly that use case.
> 
> A "private" interface to exchange phys_addr_t between at least
> VFIO/KVM/iommufd - sure no complaint with that.
> 
> Jason


  reply	other threads:[~2025-09-23 13:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20250915072428.1712837-1-vivek.kasireddy@intel.com>
2025-09-15  7:21 ` [PATCH v4 1/5] PCI/P2PDMA: Don't enforce ACS check for device functions of Intel GPUs Vivek Kasireddy
2025-09-15 15:33   ` Logan Gunthorpe
2025-09-16 17:34   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2025-09-16 17:59     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-09-16 17:57   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-09-18  6:16     ` Kasireddy, Vivek
2025-09-18 12:04       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-09-19  6:22         ` Kasireddy, Vivek
2025-09-19 12:29           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-09-22  6:59             ` Kasireddy, Vivek
2025-09-22 11:22               ` Christian König
2025-09-22 12:20                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-09-22 12:25                   ` Christian König
2025-09-22 12:29                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-09-22 13:20                       ` Christian König
2025-09-22 13:27                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-09-22 13:57                           ` Christian König
2025-09-22 14:00                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-09-23  5:53                   ` Kasireddy, Vivek
2025-09-23  6:25                     ` Matthew Brost
2025-09-23  6:44                       ` Matthew Brost
2025-09-23  7:52                         ` Christian König
2025-09-23 12:15                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-09-23 12:45                             ` Christian König
2025-09-23 13:12                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-09-23 13:28                                 ` Christian König
2025-09-23 13:38                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-09-23 13:48                                     ` Christian König [this message]
2025-09-23 23:02                                       ` Matthew Brost
2025-09-24  8:29                                         ` Christian König
2025-09-24  6:50                                       ` Kasireddy, Vivek
2025-09-24  7:21                                         ` Christian König
2025-09-25  3:56                                           ` Kasireddy, Vivek
2025-09-25 10:51                                             ` Thomas Hellström
2025-09-25 11:28                                               ` Christian König
2025-09-25 13:11                                                 ` Thomas Hellström
2025-09-25 13:33                                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-09-25 15:40                                                     ` Thomas Hellström
2025-09-25 15:55                                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-09-26  6:12                                                 ` Kasireddy, Vivek
2025-09-23 13:36                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-09-23  6:01                 ` Kasireddy, Vivek
2025-09-22 12:12               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-09-24 16:13           ` Simon Richter
2025-09-24 17:12             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-09-25  4:06             ` Kasireddy, Vivek

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