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From: "Margolin, Michael" <mrgolin@amazon.com>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
Cc: Leon Romanovsky <leon@kernel.org>, <linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org>,
	<sleybo@amazon.com>, <matua@amazon.com>, <gal.pressman@linux.dev>,
	"Daniel Kranzdorf" <dkkranzd@amazon.com>,
	Yonatan Nachum <ynachum@amazon.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH for-next] RDMA/efa: Add CQ with external memory support
Date: Mon, 26 May 2025 18:45:59 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5a2c3ffd-bdcb-4ad2-b163-3c1db7b3b671@amazon.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250525175210.GA9786@nvidia.com>


On 5/25/2025 8:52 PM, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
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> On Wed, May 21, 2025 at 06:19:51PM +0300, Margolin, Michael wrote:
>> On 5/20/2025 12:16 PM, Leon Romanovsky wrote:
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>>> On Sun, May 18, 2025 at 11:56:56AM +0300, Margolin, Michael wrote:
>>>> On 5/18/2025 9:42 AM, Leon Romanovsky wrote:
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>>>>> On Thu, May 15, 2025 at 02:50:40PM +0000, Michael Margolin wrote:
>>>>>> Add an option to create CQ using external memory instead of allocating
>>>>>> in the driver. The memory can be passed from userspace by dmabuf fd and
>>>>>> an offset.
>>>>> EFA is unique here. This patch is missing description of why it is
>>>>> needed, and why existing solutions if any exist, can't be used.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>> I probably should have explained more, the purpose is creating CQs that
>>>> reside in GPU HBM enabling low latency polling directly by the GPU. EFA
>>>> isn't unique in receiving pre-allocated memory from userspace, the extension
>>>> here is the use of dmabuf for that purpose as a general mechanism that
>>>> allows using memory independent of its source. I will add more info in the
>>>> commit message.
>>> I think that this functionality is worth to have as general verb and not DV.
>>> mlx5 has something similar and now EFA needs it too.
>>>
>>> Let's wait for Jason's response before rushing to implement it.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>> Jason, any thoughts on this?
>>
>> We can probably add optional attributes to create CQ command, but most of
>> the handling will remain vendor specific. I'm not convinced it's beneficial
>> enough.
> I don't know how a general verb would work, CQs in non-dv are polled
> in software in userspace and the userspace will have trouble reaching
> into a dmabuf. Plus the entire point of this is usually to write the
> polling code in a GPU language and run it on a GPU processor.
>
> Meaning I think all users of this will want to use a DV interface from
> verbs.
>
> At that point, is it worth adding more common verbs support?
>
> Though it is becoming a bit messy that drivers are all open coding
> creating normal or dmabuf umems. That part might be worth generalizing
> some more, and then doing QP as well.
>
> Jason

Are you suggesting turning mlx5dv_devx_umem_reg into a common verb 
including the kernel part or some kind of rdma-core level abstraction 
for passing dmabuf+offset+length / address+length to a create CQ/QP 
function?

Michael


  reply	other threads:[~2025-05-26 15:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-05-15 14:50 [PATCH for-next] RDMA/efa: Add CQ with external memory support Michael Margolin
2025-05-18  6:42 ` Leon Romanovsky
2025-05-18  8:56   ` Margolin, Michael
2025-05-20  9:16     ` Leon Romanovsky
2025-05-21 15:19       ` Margolin, Michael
2025-05-25 17:52         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-05-26 15:45           ` Margolin, Michael [this message]
2025-05-26 16:08             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-05-26 16:17               ` Margolin, Michael
2025-06-09 15:03                 ` Margolin, Michael
2025-06-11 19:47                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-24 16:39                     ` Margolin, Michael

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