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From: Lorenzo Stoakes <ljs@kernel.org>
To: "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH mm-unstable v18 11/14] mm/khugepaged: Introduce mTHP collapse support
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2026 14:59:12 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aiGEEcua8ebAKZWt@lucifer> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aiF25dvH4qd_C4aj@lucifer>

On Thu, Jun 04, 2026 at 02:53:39PM +0100, Lorenzo Stoakes wrote:
> (Checking the algorithm here)
>
> On Mon, Jun 01, 2026 at 10:11:24AM +0200, David Hildenbrand (Arm) wrote:
> > On 5/22/26 17:00, Nico Pache wrote:
> >
> > Finally time for the core piece :)
> >
> > > Enable khugepaged to collapse to mTHP orders. This patch implements the
> > > main scanning logic using a bitmap to track occupied pages and a stack
> > > structure that allows us to find optimal collapse sizes.
> > >
> > > Previous to this patch, PMD collapse had 3 main phases, a light weight
> > > scanning phase (mmap_read_lock) that determines a potential PMD
> > > collapse, an alloc phase (mmap unlocked), then finally heavier collapse
> > > phase (mmap_write_lock).
> > >
> > > To enabled mTHP collapse we make the following changes:
> > >
> > > During PMD scan phase, track occupied pages in a bitmap. When mTHP
> > > orders are enabled, we remove the restriction of max_ptes_none during the
> > > scan phase to avoid missing potential mTHP collapse candidates. Once we
> > > have scanned the full PMD range and updated the bitmap to track occupied
> > > pages, we use the bitmap to find the optimal mTHP size.
> > >
> > > Implement collapse_scan_bitmap() to perform binary recursion on the bitmap
> > > and determine the best eligible order for the collapse. A stack structure
> > > is used instead of traditional recursion to manage the search. This also
> > > prevents a traditional recursive approach when the kernel stack struct is
> > > limited. The algorithm recursively splits the bitmap into smaller chunks to
> > > find the highest order mTHPs that satisfy the collapse criteria. We start
> > > by attempting the PMD order, then moved on the consecutively lower orders
> > > (mTHP collapse). The stack maintains a pair of variables (offset, order),
>
> This is inaccurate, it's only consecutively smaller until you hit smallest then
> it starts bumping around 2 -> 3 -> 2 -> 3 -> 2 -> .. -> 4 -> 3 -> 2 -> 3 -> 2 -> 4 -> etc.
>
> More like consecutively smaller, then always trying for the smallest possible
> fit?
>
> Would be good to describe why we do this, presumably to get a best _fit_?
>
> > > indicating the number of PTEs from the start of the PMD, and the order of
> > > the potential collapse candidate.
> > >
> > > The algorithm for consuming the bitmap works as such:
> > >     1) push (0, HPAGE_PMD_ORDER) onto the stack
> > >     2) pop the stack
> > >     3) check if the number of set bits in that (offset,order) pair
> > >        statisfy the max_ptes_none threshold for that order
> > >     4) if yes, attempt collapse
> > >     5) if no (or collapse fails), push two new stack items representing
> > >        the left and right halves of the current bitmap range, at the
> > >        next lower order
>
> I notice the ordering is wrong here, you actualy push the mid_offset first then
> the offset (e.g. 'right', then 'left'):
>
> 			collapse_mthp_stack_push(cc, &stack_size, mid_offset,
> 						 next_order);
> 			collapse_mthp_stack_push(cc, &stack_size, offset,
> 						 next_order);
>
> So that way you are popping the 'left' first then the 'right'.
>
> So seems you'll get:
>
> stack={0, 9}
>
> Pop (0, order=9):
>
> 	|----------------------------------------|
> 	|########################################|
> 	|----------------------------------------|
>
> stack={256, 8}, {0, 8}
>
> Pop (0, order=8):
>
> 	|--------------------|-------------------|
> 	|####################|                   |
> 	|--------------------|-------------------|
>
>
> stack={256, 8}, {128, 7}, {0, 7}
>
> Pop (0, order=7):
>
> 	|----------|-----------------------------|
> 	|##########|                             |
> 	|----------|-----------------------------|
>
> stack={256, 8}, {128, 7}, {64, 6}, {0, 6}
>
> Pop (0, order=6):
>
> 	|----|-----------------------------------|
> 	|####|                                   |
> 	|----|-----------------------------------|
>
> ...
>
> stack={256, 8}, ..., { 8, 3 }, {0, 2}
>
> Pop (0, order=2):
>
> 	|-|--------------------------------------|
> 	|#|                                      |
> 	|-|--------------------------------------|
>
> Then finally :) we get the offsets :)
>
> stack={256, 8}, ..., {8, 3}, {4, 2}
>
> Pop (4, order=2):
>
> 	|-|-|------------------------------------|
> 	| |#|                                    |
> 	|-|-|------------------------------------|
>
> stack={256, 8}, ..., { 12, 2 }, {8, 3}

(Shouldn't be {12, 2} there :)

> Pop (8, order=3):
>
> 	|---|--|---------------------------------|
> 	|   |##|                                 |
> 	|---|--|---------------------------------|
>
> stack={256, 8}, ..., { 12, 2 }, {12, 2}, {8, 2}

(Shouldn't duplicate {12, 2} there :)

>
> Pop (8, order=2):
>
> 	|---|-|----------------------------------|
> 	|   |#|                                  |
> 	|---|-|----------------------------------|
>
> etc.
>
>
> It seems to me that you're going to keep iterating down until you match an mTHP
> when a larger mTHP could have been had?
>
> So we're going:
>
> order 9 -> 8 -> 7 -> 6 -> ... -> 2 -> 3 -> 2 -> 4 -> 3 -> 2
>
> I guess the point is to avoid only getting the largest possible
>
>
>
>
> I guess if we did try to get the largest then we'd only get 2 of the largest
> possible then exhaust the whole PMD, should a PMD-sized entry not be possble.
>
> > >     6) repeat at step (2) until stack is empty.
> > >
> > > Below is a diagram representing the algorithm and stack items:
> > >
> > >                             offset   mid_offset
> > >                             |        |
> > >                             |        |
> > >                             v        v
> > >           ____________________________________
> > >          |          PTE Page Table            |
> > >          --------------------------------------
> > > 			    <-------><------->
> > >                              order-1  order-1
> >
> >
> > Reading this, it is unclear why exactly do we need the stack.
> >
> > Why can't you work with offset + cur_order?
> >
> > Initially,
> >
> > 	offset = 0;
> > 	cur_order = HPAGE_PMD_ORDER;
> >
> > If collapse succeeded, advance to next range.
> > If collapse failed, try next smaller order, keeping offset unchanged.
> >
> > 	if (failed && cur_order > KHUGEPAGED_MIN_MTHP_ORDER) {
> > 		/* Try next smaller order. */
> > 		cur_order = cur_order - 1;
>
> OK this matches the stack for the 0 offset entries...
>
> > 	} else {
> > 		/* Skip to next chunk. */
> > 		offset += 1 << cur_order;
> > 		cur_order = max_order_from_offset(offset);
>
> Then 1 << 2 -> 4 so go to offset=4.
>
> max_order_from_offset(4) = 2. so (4, offset=2) same as above.
>
> Then we'd loop back here and go to offset = 8, and max_order_from_offset(8) = 3
>
> And, yeah this seems equivalent.
>
> > 	}
>
> >
> > Of course, handling disabled orders. max_order_from_offset() is rather trivial
> > (natural buddy order, capped at HPAGE_PMD_ORDER).
>
> Something like?
>
> static unsigned long max_order_from_offset(unsigned long offset)
> {
> 	if (!offset)
> 	   return HPAGE_PMD_ORDER;
>
> 	return ilog2(offset);

Oops, we need the LSB so ffs.

> }
>
> >
> > What's the benefit of the stack?
>
> Yeah it seems equivalent. Good idea!
>
> Thanks, Lorenzo

  reply	other threads:[~2026-06-04 13:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 107+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-05-22 14:59 [PATCH mm-hotfixes-unstable v18 00/14] khugepaged: add mTHP collapse support Nico Pache
2026-05-22 14:59 ` [PATCH mm-unstable v18 01/14] mm/khugepaged: generalize hugepage_vma_revalidate for mTHP support Nico Pache
2026-05-22 14:59 ` [PATCH mm-unstable v18 02/14] mm/khugepaged: generalize alloc_charge_folio() Nico Pache
2026-05-22 14:59 ` [PATCH mm-unstable v18 03/14] mm/khugepaged: rework max_ptes_* handling with helper functions Nico Pache
2026-05-22 21:16   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-01 13:26   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-22 14:59 ` [PATCH mm-unstable v18 04/14] mm/khugepaged: generalize __collapse_huge_page_* for mTHP support Nico Pache
2026-05-22 21:24   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-05-26 14:39   ` Nico Pache
2026-06-01 14:04   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-22 15:00 ` [PATCH mm-unstable v18 05/14] mm/khugepaged: require collapse_huge_page to enter/exit with the lock dropped Nico Pache
2026-06-01 14:07   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-02 10:26     ` Nico Pache
2026-05-22 15:00 ` [PATCH mm-unstable v18 06/14] mm/khugepaged: generalize collapse_huge_page for mTHP collapse Nico Pache
2026-05-22 21:47   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-05-26 14:42   ` Nico Pache
2026-05-31  9:39   ` Lance Yang
2026-05-31 20:00     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-01  3:28       ` Lance Yang
2026-06-01  6:54         ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-01  7:49           ` Lance Yang
2026-06-01  8:15             ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-01  8:44               ` Lance Yang
2026-06-01 10:09                 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-01  9:08           ` Lance Yang
2026-06-01 10:23             ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-01 10:47               ` Lance Yang
2026-06-01 11:13                 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-01 15:00                   ` Nico Pache
2026-06-01 15:05                     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-01 16:07                       ` Lance Yang
2026-06-04 17:04                     ` Nico Pache
2026-06-02 15:30                 ` Nico Pache
2026-06-02 16:34                   ` Lance Yang
2026-06-04 12:33           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-04 10:21   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-04 10:32     ` Nico Pache
2026-06-04 11:38   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-04 12:39     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-04 12:45       ` Nico Pache
2026-06-04 12:55         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-04 16:28           ` Nico Pache
2026-05-22 15:00 ` [PATCH mm-unstable v18 07/14] mm/khugepaged: skip collapsing mTHP to smaller orders Nico Pache
2026-05-22 21:51   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-05-22 15:00 ` [PATCH mm-unstable v18 08/14] mm/khugepaged: add per-order mTHP collapse failure statistics Nico Pache
2026-05-31 20:09   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-01 14:13   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-22 15:00 ` [PATCH mm-unstable v18 09/14] mm/khugepaged: improve tracepoints for mTHP orders Nico Pache
2026-05-22 15:00 ` [PATCH mm-unstable v18 10/14] mm/khugepaged: introduce collapse_allowable_orders helper function Nico Pache
2026-05-31 20:18   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-01 14:35     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-01 14:40       ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-05-22 15:00 ` [PATCH mm-unstable v18 11/14] mm/khugepaged: Introduce mTHP collapse support Nico Pache
2026-05-25 14:15   ` Nico Pache
2026-05-25 19:10     ` Andrew Morton
2026-05-26  6:57       ` Wei Yang
2026-05-26 12:07         ` Nico Pache
2026-05-28  8:42           ` Wei Yang
2026-05-28 17:11             ` Nico Pache
2026-05-31  7:18   ` Lance Yang
2026-05-31  8:48     ` Lance Yang
2026-06-01 12:01       ` Nico Pache
2026-06-01 12:06         ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-02 10:58     ` Nico Pache
2026-06-02 15:44       ` Lance Yang
2026-06-03  8:05         ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-04 14:40           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-01  8:11   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-01 12:40     ` Nico Pache
2026-06-01 13:15       ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-02 17:23         ` Nico Pache
2026-06-02 17:26           ` Nico Pache
2026-06-03  9:55           ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-03 10:00           ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-03 12:16             ` Nico Pache
2026-06-03 12:27               ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-04 14:14           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-04 14:19             ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-04 13:53     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-04 13:59       ` Lorenzo Stoakes [this message]
2026-06-04 14:45   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-22 15:00 ` [PATCH mm-unstable v18 12/14] mm/khugepaged: avoid unnecessary mTHP collapse attempts Nico Pache
2026-05-31  7:31   ` Lance Yang
2026-05-31 20:02     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-01  1:53       ` Lance Yang
2026-05-22 15:00 ` [PATCH mm-unstable v18 13/14] mm/khugepaged: run khugepaged for all orders Nico Pache
2026-05-22 15:00 ` [PATCH mm-unstable v18 14/14] Documentation: mm: update the admin guide for mTHP collapse Nico Pache
2026-05-22 21:58   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-05-26 12:00     ` Nico Pache
2026-05-26 14:45   ` Nico Pache
2026-05-22 15:07 ` [PATCH mm-hotfixes-unstable v18 00/14] khugepaged: add mTHP collapse support Nico Pache
2026-05-22 15:13   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-05-22 16:11     ` Nico Pache
2026-05-22 21:13       ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-05-22 15:16   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-22 16:08     ` Nico Pache
2026-05-22 16:19       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-22 16:31         ` Nico Pache
2026-05-22 17:12           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-26  8:14             ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-22 15:13 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-22 20:47 ` Andrew Morton
2026-06-01 15:58   ` Alexander Gordeev
2026-06-01 17:05     ` Nico Pache
2026-06-01 17:08     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-02  1:53       ` Lance Yang
2026-06-04 10:10 ` Lorenzo Stoakes

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