From: Eric Biggers <ebiggers@kernel.org>
To: "Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@kernel.org>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>, Carlos Maiolino <cem@kernel.org>,
Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>,
linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 08/21] xfs: define the RT data checksum on-disk format
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2026 00:04:40 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260925000440.GA3191386@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260924221359.GI2705364@frogsfrogsfrogs>
On Thu, Sep 24, 2026 at 03:13:59PM -0700, Darrick J. Wong wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 24, 2026 at 11:59:40AM +0200, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> > Add the on-disk format for the new RT data checksum format.
> >
> > Keyed off a new read-only compat feature flag, this adds new fields to
> > the superblock to indicate the checksum algorithm used and the size of
> > the blocks containing the checksums. These new fields reuse the
> > previously reserved padding to make efficient use of the space in the
> > on-disk superblock.
> >
> > Data checksums are only supported on zoned RT devices, because they
> > require out of places writes to safely update the checksums for file
> > overwrites and a data/metadata split to be able to store the checksums
> > for a group in a file without causing recursion. This means they can't
> > be supported directly on the data device at all, and only when using
> > the always_cow mode on regular RT devices, but that has no benefit
> > over the zoned allocator which is designed for out of place writes.
> >
> > The initially supported data checksum algorithms are crc32c and crc64 as
> > specified by NVMe. Both have extremely fast kernel implementations and
> > the strong data protection guarantees offered by CRC-style algorithms.
> > Both also happen to be support by NVMe for protection information so that
> > the userspace PI passthrough support (once extended to files on file
> > systems) can be reused to expose the checksums to applications and thus
> > provide true end-to-end data integrity.
>
> And just to play the peanut gallery here, xxhash? <duck>
lib/xxhash.c is kind of outdated and just supports XXH32 and XXH64 with
generic C code. CRCs of the same width would generally be better.
(CRCs used to be kind of slow. But with carryless multiplication
instructions, which the kernel uses on most architectures, they're super
fast. They also have "unlimited" parallelism, unlike XXH32 and XXH64,
which have a data dependency after each 4 words processed.)
XXH3 could be more competitive and would also offer 128-bit hashes. But
it seems it would be quite a bit of work to add XXH3 to the kernel.
Unless someone really wants 128-bit checksums for this feature, I think
the two options proposed here (CRC-32C and CRC64-NVME) sound good.
- Eric
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-09-25 0:04 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-09-24 9:59 support for RT data checksums Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-24 9:59 ` [PATCH 01/21] block: export fs_bio_integrity_verify Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-24 20:29 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-09-24 9:59 ` [PATCH 02/21] iomap: add support for data checksumming Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-24 21:39 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-09-25 5:53 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-24 9:59 ` [PATCH 03/21] xfs: add a xfs_buf_read_async buffer cache API Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-24 21:43 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-09-25 5:54 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-24 9:59 ` [PATCH 04/21] xfs: add xfs_daddr_to_rgno and xfs_daddr_to_rgbno helpers Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-24 21:44 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-09-24 9:59 ` [PATCH 05/21] xfs: introduce XFS_BLI_PREALLOC Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-24 21:49 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-09-25 5:57 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-10-08 11:46 ` Anuj gupta
2026-09-24 9:59 ` [PATCH 06/21] xfs: prepare xfs_rtfile_initialize_blocks for larger than FSB blocks Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-24 22:03 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-09-25 5:58 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-24 9:59 ` [PATCH 07/21] xfs: relase zi_open_zones_lock over xfs_open_zone_put on unmount Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-24 9:59 ` [PATCH 08/21] xfs: define the RT data checksum on-disk format Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-24 22:13 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-09-25 0:04 ` Eric Biggers [this message]
2026-09-25 6:01 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-24 9:59 ` [PATCH 09/21] xfs: add support for per-RTG csum files Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-24 22:24 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-09-25 6:10 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-24 9:59 ` [PATCH 10/21] xfs: calculate the log reservation for logging data checksum buffers Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-24 22:30 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-09-25 6:12 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-24 9:59 ` [PATCH 11/21] xfs: core RT data checksum support Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-25 23:20 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-09-26 6:13 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-24 9:59 ` [PATCH 12/21] xfs: data checksums require stable writes Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-25 23:21 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-09-24 9:59 ` [PATCH 13/21] xfs: require file system block size alignment when using data checksums Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-25 23:24 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-09-26 6:15 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-24 9:59 ` [PATCH 14/21] xfs: add support for reading with " Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-29 0:42 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-10-05 12:59 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-24 9:59 ` [PATCH 15/21] xfs: add support for writing " Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-29 1:01 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-10-05 13:00 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-24 9:59 ` [PATCH 16/21] xfs: add data checksum support to zoned garbage collection Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-29 1:06 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-10-05 13:11 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-24 9:59 ` [PATCH 17/21] xfs: verify data checksums during media verification Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-29 1:19 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-10-05 13:13 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-24 9:59 ` [PATCH 18/21] xfs: don't try to verify checksums on empty zones Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-29 1:25 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-10-05 13:14 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-10-08 11:43 ` Anuj gupta
2026-09-24 9:59 ` [PATCH 19/21] xfs: report RT data checksum information via XFS_FSOP_GEOM Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-29 1:26 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-09-24 9:59 ` [PATCH 20/21] xfs: add an experimental feature warning for RT data checksums Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-29 1:27 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-09-24 9:59 ` [PATCH 21/21] xfs: enable " Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-29 1:27 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-10-05 13:16 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-24 22:52 ` support for " Dave Chinner
2026-09-25 6:27 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-27 22:59 ` Dave Chinner
2026-09-28 5:24 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-29 14:11 ` Dave Chinner
2026-09-30 7:11 ` Dave Chinner
2026-10-05 13:53 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-10-06 5:31 ` Dave Chinner
2026-10-07 13:46 ` Christoph Hellwig
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