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From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
To: Dave Chinner <dgc@kernel.org>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>, Carlos Maiolino <cem@kernel.org>,
	"Darrick J . Wong" <djwong@kernel.org>,
	Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>,
	linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: support for RT data checksums
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2026 15:46:57 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20261007134657.GA682@lst.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <asSHsVAYevL_VzdF@dread>

On Tue, Oct 06, 2026 at 04:31:29PM +1100, Dave Chinner wrote:
> I'm not sure I understand what you are refering to there. I'm not
> talking aobut the 'realloc because logged size grows', I'm talking
> aoubt 'realloc because CIL pushes steal the shadow buffer'.

So you mean alloc again, not realloc, ok.

> > with an allocation per log operation, and a memcpy both into that
> > and into the buffer, while adding a lot of new log items.
> 
> I'm not talking about an intent/done based setup - that requires an
> intent transaction, then a buffer + done transaction. That's very
> different to what I suggested (and what ICREATE implements).
> 
> I'm talking about a single one-shot transaction that logs the csums
> and that only. The buffer is ordered, so not logged. Single
> transaction, generally small in size, never gets relogged, can be
> committed asynchronously as long as it is replayed before the file
> offset relocation BMBT update in recovery.

We'd still need memory for the csum values both in the icreate
item and the ordered buffer.

> > One thing I played with for a while until I realized that the
> > simple buf item actually provides good enough performance is
> > special xfs_log_vec that is not included in the main log vec /
> > shadow allocation but points to external memory.
> 
> That's problematic. The reason delayed logging works is that it
> broke the dependency between external memory that log items pointed
> at needing to be locked and stable until the external memory was
> copied into the iclogs. The disconnection of the objects passed to
> xfs_trans_commit() vs xlog_write() whilst keeping the logged data
> stable is what allows the CIL to work

Yes, and for all the current buffers and similar items that's very
important because the data can actually change, and we must not
pick up that change.  It does however not matter much when we know
each bit of the buffer payload is only ever updated once, and thus
the is no need to double buffer or lock the backing memory.
The only important thing left with that is that the buffer as the
backing memory must not be freed.


      reply	other threads:[~2026-10-07 13:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-09-24  9:59 support for RT data checksums Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-24  9:59 ` [PATCH 01/21] block: export fs_bio_integrity_verify Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-24 20:29   ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-09-24  9:59 ` [PATCH 02/21] iomap: add support for data checksumming Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-24 21:39   ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-09-25  5:53     ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-24  9:59 ` [PATCH 03/21] xfs: add a xfs_buf_read_async buffer cache API Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-24 21:43   ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-09-25  5:54     ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-24  9:59 ` [PATCH 04/21] xfs: add xfs_daddr_to_rgno and xfs_daddr_to_rgbno helpers Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-24 21:44   ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-09-24  9:59 ` [PATCH 05/21] xfs: introduce XFS_BLI_PREALLOC Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-24 21:49   ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-09-25  5:57     ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-10-08 11:46   ` Anuj gupta
2026-09-24  9:59 ` [PATCH 06/21] xfs: prepare xfs_rtfile_initialize_blocks for larger than FSB blocks Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-24 22:03   ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-09-25  5:58     ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-24  9:59 ` [PATCH 07/21] xfs: relase zi_open_zones_lock over xfs_open_zone_put on unmount Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-24  9:59 ` [PATCH 08/21] xfs: define the RT data checksum on-disk format Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-24 22:13   ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-09-25  0:04     ` Eric Biggers
2026-09-25  6:01     ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-24  9:59 ` [PATCH 09/21] xfs: add support for per-RTG csum files Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-24 22:24   ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-09-25  6:10     ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-24  9:59 ` [PATCH 10/21] xfs: calculate the log reservation for logging data checksum buffers Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-24 22:30   ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-09-25  6:12     ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-24  9:59 ` [PATCH 11/21] xfs: core RT data checksum support Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-25 23:20   ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-09-26  6:13     ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-24  9:59 ` [PATCH 12/21] xfs: data checksums require stable writes Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-25 23:21   ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-09-24  9:59 ` [PATCH 13/21] xfs: require file system block size alignment when using data checksums Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-25 23:24   ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-09-26  6:15     ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-24  9:59 ` [PATCH 14/21] xfs: add support for reading with " Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-29  0:42   ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-10-05 12:59     ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-24  9:59 ` [PATCH 15/21] xfs: add support for writing " Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-29  1:01   ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-10-05 13:00     ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-24  9:59 ` [PATCH 16/21] xfs: add data checksum support to zoned garbage collection Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-29  1:06   ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-10-05 13:11     ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-24  9:59 ` [PATCH 17/21] xfs: verify data checksums during media verification Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-29  1:19   ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-10-05 13:13     ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-24  9:59 ` [PATCH 18/21] xfs: don't try to verify checksums on empty zones Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-29  1:25   ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-10-05 13:14     ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-10-08 11:43   ` Anuj gupta
2026-09-24  9:59 ` [PATCH 19/21] xfs: report RT data checksum information via XFS_FSOP_GEOM Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-29  1:26   ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-09-24  9:59 ` [PATCH 20/21] xfs: add an experimental feature warning for RT data checksums Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-29  1:27   ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-09-24  9:59 ` [PATCH 21/21] xfs: enable " Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-29  1:27   ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-10-05 13:16     ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-24 22:52 ` support for " Dave Chinner
2026-09-25  6:27   ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-27 22:59     ` Dave Chinner
2026-09-28  5:24       ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-29 14:11         ` Dave Chinner
2026-09-30  7:11           ` Dave Chinner
2026-10-05 13:53             ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-10-06  5:31               ` Dave Chinner
2026-10-07 13:46                 ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]

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