From: Matthew Wilcox <matthew@wil.cx>
To: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
torvalds@linux-foundation.org,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
Hisashi Hifumi <hifumi.hisashi@oss.ntt.co.jp>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
"Aneesh Kumar K.V" <aneesh.kumar@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
"Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>
Subject: Re: [RESEND] [PATCH] VFS: make file->f_pos access atomic on 32bit arch
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 20:52:09 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20081008025209.GO25780@parisc-linux.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200810081335.44576.nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
On Wed, Oct 08, 2008 at 01:35:44PM +1100, Nick Piggin wrote:
> Right you are. That's the fundamental question. The actual details of
> the fix and how likely the race is don't really matter until we
> answer the first question (except to say that the "fix" is never going
> to be free).
>
> We've lasted this long with the current semantics. So the natural
> reaction to anything that strengthens the semantics now is "why?". If
> we do that then we can basically never return to the weaker semantics.
> So there had better be a really good reason.
And it's worth saying that letter-of-the-standard arguments aren't
necessarily enough. Linux does not honour the POSIX guarantee that
writes are atomic (if they cross page boundaries, it's not certain).
This seems like even more of a corner case to me.
--
Matthew Wilcox Intel Open Source Technology Centre
"Bill, look, we understand that you're interested in selling us this
operating system, but compare it to ours. We can't possibly take such
a retrograde step."
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-10-08 2:52 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-10-07 5:07 [RESEND] [PATCH] VFS: make file->f_pos access atomic on 32bit arch Hisashi Hifumi
2008-10-07 6:43 ` Andi Kleen
2008-10-07 10:11 ` Hisashi Hifumi
2008-10-07 10:29 ` Andi Kleen
2008-10-07 16:27 ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-07 17:50 ` Andrew Morton
2008-10-07 18:59 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-10-08 2:35 ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-08 2:52 ` Matthew Wilcox [this message]
2008-10-09 12:23 ` Pavel Machek
2008-10-09 12:49 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-10-09 13:01 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-10-09 13:38 ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-10-09 14:58 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-10-09 17:29 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-08 4:48 ` Hisashi Hifumi
2008-10-08 5:10 ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-08 5:16 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-10-08 6:28 ` Andrew Morton
2008-10-08 6:51 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-10-08 8:32 ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-08 8:48 ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-08 9:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-10-09 21:51 ` dcg
2008-10-10 2:25 ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-09 12:16 ` Pavel Machek
2008-10-08 0:40 ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-07 18:00 ` Matthew Wilcox
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