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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@suse.cz>
To: Matthew Wilcox <matthew@wil.cx>
Cc: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	Hisashi Hifumi <hifumi.hisashi@oss.ntt.co.jp>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Aneesh Kumar K.V" <aneesh.kumar@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	"Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>
Subject: Re: [RESEND] [PATCH] VFS: make file->f_pos access atomic on 32bit arch
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 14:23:19 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20081009122319.GC1623@ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20081008025209.GO25780@parisc-linux.org>

On Tue 2008-10-07 20:52:09, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 08, 2008 at 01:35:44PM +1100, Nick Piggin wrote:
> > Right you are. That's the fundamental question. The actual details of
> > the fix and how likely the race is don't really matter until we
> > answer the first question (except to say that the "fix" is never going
> > to be free).
> > 
> > We've lasted this long with the current semantics. So the natural
> > reaction to anything that strengthens the semantics now is "why?". If
> > we do that then we can basically never return to the weaker semantics.
> > So there had better be a really good reason.
> 
> And it's worth saying that letter-of-the-standard arguments aren't
> necessarily enough.  Linux does not honour the POSIX guarantee that
> writes are atomic (if they cross page boundaries, it's not certain).
> This seems like even more of a corner case to me.

We have append-only files, and normal users should not be able to work
around that restriction.
								Pavel
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  reply	other threads:[~2008-10-09 12:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-10-07  5:07 [RESEND] [PATCH] VFS: make file->f_pos access atomic on 32bit arch Hisashi Hifumi
2008-10-07  6:43 ` Andi Kleen
2008-10-07 10:11   ` Hisashi Hifumi
2008-10-07 10:29     ` Andi Kleen
2008-10-07 16:27       ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-07 17:50         ` Andrew Morton
2008-10-07 18:59           ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-10-08  2:35             ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-08  2:52               ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-10-09 12:23                 ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2008-10-09 12:49                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-10-09 13:01                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-10-09 13:38                     ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-10-09 14:58                     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-10-09 17:29                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-08  4:48               ` Hisashi Hifumi
2008-10-08  5:10                 ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-08  5:16                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-10-08  6:28                 ` Andrew Morton
2008-10-08  6:51                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-10-08  8:32                   ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-08  8:48                     ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-08  9:17                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-10-09 21:51                   ` dcg
2008-10-10  2:25                     ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-09 12:16             ` Pavel Machek
2008-10-08  0:40           ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-07 18:00         ` Matthew Wilcox

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