From: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
To: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
Cc: Hisashi Hifumi <hifumi.hisashi@oss.ntt.co.jp>,
akpm@linux-foundation.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RESEND] [PATCH] VFS: make file->f_pos access atomic on 32bit arch
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 03:27:44 +1100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200810080327.44530.nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20081007102942.GE20740@one.firstfloor.org>
On Tuesday 07 October 2008 21:29, Andi Kleen wrote:
> > Maybe cmpxchg8b is good for i486 or later x86, but i386 or other
> > architectures that do not have similar instruction needs some locking
> > primitive. I think lazy
>
> We have a cmpxchg emulation on 386. That works because only UP 386s are
> supported, so it can be done in software.
>
> > seqlock is one option for making file->f_pos access atomic.
>
> The question is if it's the right option. At least all the common
> operations on fds (read/write) are all writers, not readers.
Common operations are read, do something, write. So seqlocks then cost
one atomic operation, a couple of memory barriers (all noops on x86),
and some predictable branches etc.
cmpxchg based would require 2 lock ; cmpxchg8b on 32-bit. Fairly heavy.
Also I don't think we have generic accessors to do this, so I think
that is for another project.
Anyway, I think importantly this creates some usable accessors for the
f_pos problem. I think we actually need to touch a _lot_ of code to
cover all f_pos accesses in the kernel, but I guess this gets the ball
rolling.
So.. is everyone agreed that corrupting f_pos is a bad thing? (serious
question) If so, then we should get something like this merged sooner
rather than later.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-10-07 16:28 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-10-07 5:07 [RESEND] [PATCH] VFS: make file->f_pos access atomic on 32bit arch Hisashi Hifumi
2008-10-07 6:43 ` Andi Kleen
2008-10-07 10:11 ` Hisashi Hifumi
2008-10-07 10:29 ` Andi Kleen
2008-10-07 16:27 ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2008-10-07 17:50 ` Andrew Morton
2008-10-07 18:59 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-10-08 2:35 ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-08 2:52 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-10-09 12:23 ` Pavel Machek
2008-10-09 12:49 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-10-09 13:01 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-10-09 13:38 ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-10-09 14:58 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-10-09 17:29 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-08 4:48 ` Hisashi Hifumi
2008-10-08 5:10 ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-08 5:16 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-10-08 6:28 ` Andrew Morton
2008-10-08 6:51 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-10-08 8:32 ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-08 8:48 ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-08 9:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-10-09 21:51 ` dcg
2008-10-10 2:25 ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-09 12:16 ` Pavel Machek
2008-10-08 0:40 ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-07 18:00 ` Matthew Wilcox
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