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From: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>
To: Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@web.de>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Prasad <prasad@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@redhat.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Jiri Slaby <jirislaby@gmail.com>, Li Zefan <lizf@cn.fujitsu.com>,
	Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>, Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
	Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>,
	Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/5] hw-breakpoints: Rewrite the hw-breakpoints layer on top of perf counters
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 20:01:06 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090914180104.GA6045@nowhere> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4AADE19D.7030808@web.de>

On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 08:24:29AM +0200, Jan Kiszka wrote:
> > I don't quite understand what must be NMI-safe here. Is it when
> > we request a breakpoint or when we hit one?
> > 
> 
> Both. With kgdb, the kernel may be interrupted (almost) everywhere, and
> then the operator may decide to add/remove hardware breakpoints during
> this interruption.



Ok, a breakpoint can trigger in NMI context since the trigger callback
doesn't take any lock, and doesn't need to. And perf is NMI safe
in this scope too.

But register a breakpoint while in NMI can't be done in this
patchset. You can't even do that from common interrupts because
we are taking mutexes.

So this part will indeed need a bit of a rework, not a large change
though.


 
> > 
> >  
> >> Still on my wishlist for KVM is a cheap & easy way to obtain the current
> >> register content or to refresh it in hardware. It's not yet clear to me
> >> where to hook this in the given design. It looks like this information
> >> can be scattered over the current thread and some perf counters.
> > 
> > 
> > With this design approach, the debug registers are not anymore stored
> > in the thread structure. They are not stored anymore actually.
> > 
> > Especially because the breakpoint are not anymore assigned to a
> > specific address register. This one is decided when the counter
> > is enabled. And the counter is often toggled on/off, depending
> > if we start/end profiling the desired context. It can be a single task,
> > in which case the counter is enabled while the task is sched in, and
> > disabled when it is sched out.
> > And between two sched atoms, the register used for a breakpoint
> > can be different.
> > 
> > The arch informations about the breakpoints (len/type/addr) are stored
> > in the counter structure, and the address/control registers contents
> > are now dynamically computed.
> > 
> > For your needs, basically the control must be done from perfcounters.
> > When you switch from host to guest, the counter must be sched out.
> > And in the reverse direction, it must be sched in.
> > Then perf will take care of that by itself.
> 
> Actually, we wanted to avoid sched-out activity, and so far this is
> possible. But if both steps are cheap enough, specifically if the
> sched-out does _not_ touch the hardware and is very cheap if no
> breakpoints are set, KVM will likely be a happy user.
> 
> Does that API already exist or what additional work is required?
> 
> Jan
> 


Well, what you could do is walking through the list of counters of
the current context, look at breakpoint type counters and disable
their pmu.

Ok it's not very cheap, I must admit.


It would be much less costly to just save the debug registers
actually, which is not that much costy in itself btw.


  reply	other threads:[~2009-09-14 18:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-09-10  8:29 [RFC GIT PULL] hw-breakpoints: Rewrite on top of perf counters Frederic Weisbecker
2009-09-10  8:29 ` [PATCH 1/5] perf_counter: Add open/close pmu callbacks Frederic Weisbecker
2009-09-10 11:22   ` Paul Mackerras
2009-09-10 18:46     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-09-10  8:29 ` [PATCH 2/5] perf_counter: Export various perf helpers for external users Frederic Weisbecker
2009-09-10 11:28   ` Paul Mackerras
2009-09-10 18:43     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-09-10  8:29 ` [PATCH 3/5] hw-breakpoints: Rewrite the hw-breakpoints layer on top of perf counters Frederic Weisbecker
2009-09-10 14:25   ` K.Prasad
2009-09-10 18:53     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-09-10 21:18       ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-14 21:18         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-09-14 17:17       ` K.Prasad
2009-09-14 21:33         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-09-11 22:09   ` Jan Kiszka
2009-09-14  3:41     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-09-14  6:24       ` Jan Kiszka
2009-09-14 18:01         ` Frederic Weisbecker [this message]
2009-09-14 17:28   ` K.Prasad
2009-09-14 21:36     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-09-10  8:29 ` [PATCH 4/5] hw-breakpoints: Arbitrate access to pmu following registers constraints Frederic Weisbecker
2009-09-10 14:41   ` Daniel Walker
2009-09-10 14:57     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-10 14:59       ` Daniel Walker
2009-09-10 15:02       ` Steven Rostedt
2009-09-10 18:53     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-09-10  8:29 ` [PATCH 5/5] ksym_tracer: Remove KSYM_SELFTEST_ENTRY Frederic Weisbecker
2009-09-10 10:09 ` [RFC GIT PULL] hw-breakpoints: Rewrite on top of perf counters Paul Mackerras
2009-09-10 17:23   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-10 18:24   ` Frederic Weisbecker

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