From: Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>
To: "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org>
Cc: Lorenzo Stoakes <ljs@kernel.org>, Boris Burkov <boris@bur.io>,
Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>,
Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH] Documentation: remove the requirement for LLM attribution
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2026 15:40:31 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260707124031.GC211515@killaraus.ideasonboard.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0ba6bf66-e48f-40df-a953-503d317b3dbe@kernel.org>
On Tue, Jul 07, 2026 at 11:49:31AM +0200, David Hildenbrand (Arm) wrote:
> On 7/7/26 11:20, Lorenzo Stoakes wrote:
> > On Fri, Jul 03, 2026 at 08:22:20PM +0200, David Hildenbrand (Arm) wrote:
> >> On 7/3/26 18:32, Laurent Pinchart wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I'd support a patch that replaces
> >>>
> >>> Assisted-by: Claude:claude-3-opus coccinelle sparse
> >>>
> >>> with
> >>>
> >>> Assisted-by: LLM # generate some test cases
> >>>
> >>> and rewrites the Attribution section of
> >>> Documentation/process/coding-assistants.rst accordingly.
> >>>
> >>> I think most people in this mail thread have expressed that how
> >>> generative AI was used is the most important information, and several
> >>> people (including myself) have expressed a desire to stop the free
> >>> advertising. Unless I missed something, I don't think anyone has
> >>> expressed an interest in keeping the agent name and model.
> >>
> >> Yes, that's something I would enjoy seeing. Who reading along has a problem with
> >> that? (assuming that the tag must stay)
> >
> > I think the silence suggests nobody :)
> >
> > What we could do is send a patch to simply add a section on adding a comment
> > explaining _what_ used an LLM and strongly suggesting it would be helpful to do
> > so.
> >
> > That should hopefully be uncontroversial, then later (or alongside that?) we
> > could submit an RFC for making the language move to 'you MUST do this', as that
> > will probably be the more controversial bit.
>
> Maybe we should just spell out about which scenario we care about where we really
> expect the disclosure.
>
> Sure, it might be more controversial and we could have that in a separate patch.
>
> I was thinking of the following end result:
>
> diff --git a/Documentation/process/coding-assistants.rst b/Documentation/process/coding-assistants.rst
> index 899f4459c52d2..4c2ab4dfc6da7 100644
> --- a/Documentation/process/coding-assistants.rst
> +++ b/Documentation/process/coding-assistants.rst
> @@ -40,20 +40,37 @@ Attribution
> ===========
>
> When AI tools contribute to kernel development, proper attribution
> -helps track the evolving role of AI in the development process.
> -Contributions should include an Assisted-by tag in the following format::
> +helps track the evolving role of AI in the development process. Further,
> +for reviewers and maintainers it is also crucially important to know how
> +AI tools were used.
>
> - Assisted-by: AGENT_NAME:MODEL_VERSION [TOOL1] [TOOL2]
> +Contributions that used AI to generate significant portions of code,
> +comments, or patch descriptions must include an Assisted-by tag in the
> +following format::
>
> -Where (preferred):
> + Assisted-by: LLM # brief description of usage
> +
> +Or alternatively::
> +
> + Assisted-by: AGENT_NAME:MODEL_VERSION # brief description of usage
I would like to drop this one. As I understand, several people objected
to including the product name in the git history as it is just free
adverising, and nobody objected to dropping it.
> +
> +Where::
>
> * ``AGENT_NAME`` is the name of the AI tool or framework
> * ``MODEL_VERSION`` is the specific model version used
> -* ``[TOOL1] [TOOL2]`` are optional specialized analysis tools used
> - (e.g., coccinelle, sparse, smatch, clang-tidy)
> +
> +If other tools were used, they should be specified through a dedicated
> +Assisted-by tag in the following format::
> +
> + Assisted-by: [TOOL1] [TOOL2]
> +
> +Where ``[TOOL1] [TOOL2]`` are specialized analysis tools used
> +(e.g., coccinelle, sparse, smatch, clang-tidy)
>
> Basic development tools (git, gcc, make, editors) should not be listed.
>
> -Example::
> +Examples::
>
> - Assisted-by: Claude:claude-3-opus coccinelle sparse
> + Assisted-by: LLM # translate patch description
> + Assisted-by: Claude:claude-3-opus # generate most of the code
> + Assisted-by: coccinelle sparse
>
>
> But I am not really sure why we should specify other tools here, really.
> People usually do that as part of the patch description, including sharing
> coccinelle scripts etc.
We've mentioned coccinelle usage in commit messages, with a copy of the
semantic patch, for years and years and I'm not aware of anyone giving a
technical reason why we need a tag instead. The only reason I see is to
avoid pointing specifically at LLMs and normalize their usage as "just
another tool". That's a political reason, not a technical one.
> Because looking at the history:
>
> $ git log | grep "Assisted-by" | grep -E "(coccinelle|sparse|smatch|clang)"
> Assisted-by: unnamed:deepseek-v3.2 coccinelle
> Assisted-by: unnamed:deepseek-v3.2 coccinelle
> Assisted-by: unnamed:deepseek-v3.2 coccinelle
> Assisted-by: unnamed:deepseek-v3.2 coccinelle
> Assisted-by: unnamed:deepseek-v3.2 coccinelle
> Assisted-by: unnamed:deepseek-v3.2 coccinelle
> Assisted-by: unnamed:deepseek-v3.2 coccinelle
> Assisted-by: unnamed:deepseek-v3.2 coccinelle
> Assisted-by: unnamed:deepseek-v3.2 coccinelle
> Assisted-by: unnamed:deepseek-v3.2 coccinelle
> Assisted-by: unnamed:deepseek-v3.2 coccinelle
> Assisted-by: unnamed:deepseek-v3.2 coccinelle
> Assisted-by: unnamed:deepseek-v3.2 coccinelle
> Assisted-by: unnamed:deepseek-v3.2 coccinelle
> Assisted-by: unnamed:deepseek-v3.2 coccinelle
> Assisted-by: unnamed:deepseek-v3.2 coccinelle
> Assisted-by: unnamed:deepseek-v3.2 coccinelle
> Assisted-by: unnamed:deepseek-v3.2 coccinelle
> Assisted-by: unnamed:deepseek-v3.2 coccinelle
> Assisted-by: unnamed:deepseek-v3.2 coccinelle
> Assisted-by: unnamed:deepseek-v3.2 coccinelle
> Assisted-by: unnamed:deepseek-v3.2 coccinelle
> Assisted-by: unnamed:deepseek-v3.2 coccinelle
> Assisted-by: unnamed:deepseek-v3.2 coccinelle
> Assisted-by: unnamed:deepseek-v3.2 coccinelle
> Assisted-by: unnamed:deepseek-v3.2 coccinelle
> Assisted-by: unnamed:deepseek-v3.2 coccinelle
> Assisted-by: unnamed:deepseek-v3.2 coccinelle
> Assisted-by: unnamed:deepseek-v3.2 coccinelle
--
Regards,
Laurent Pinchart
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Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-07-02 14:32 [PATCH] Documentation: remove the requirement for LLM attribution Jeff Layton
2026-07-02 14:53 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-02 14:58 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02 15:02 ` Jeff Layton
2026-07-02 15:07 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02 14:57 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02 15:28 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-02 15:36 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02 15:44 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-02 15:07 ` Greg KH
2026-07-02 15:13 ` Jonathan Corbet
2026-07-02 15:20 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02 18:46 ` Andreas Dilger
2026-07-03 2:57 ` Theodore Tso
2026-07-03 11:50 ` Jori Koolstra
2026-07-03 16:12 ` Andreas Dilger
2026-07-02 15:15 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02 15:33 ` Jori Koolstra
2026-07-02 15:37 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02 15:36 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-02 15:57 ` Jeff Layton
2026-07-02 16:13 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-02 16:19 ` Greg KH
2026-07-02 16:32 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-03 6:37 ` Greg KH
2026-07-03 7:23 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-07-03 7:30 ` Greg KH
2026-07-03 7:33 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-07-03 11:42 ` Theodore Tso
2026-07-03 11:53 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-03 12:04 ` Jori Koolstra
2026-07-06 8:44 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-07-02 16:48 ` Jeff Layton
2026-07-02 16:50 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02 21:17 ` Boris Burkov
2026-07-02 23:17 ` SJ Park
2026-07-03 7:05 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-07-03 13:12 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-03 16:32 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-03 18:22 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-07-07 9:20 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-07 9:49 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-07-07 9:55 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-07 13:29 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-07-07 10:01 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2026-07-07 13:31 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-07-07 12:40 ` Laurent Pinchart [this message]
2026-07-07 13:28 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-07-07 10:15 ` Jori Koolstra
2026-07-07 10:20 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-03 18:26 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-07-02 23:05 ` SJ Park
2026-07-02 16:11 ` Chuck Lever
2026-07-02 16:14 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
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