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From: Peter Williams <pwil3058@bigpond.net.au>
To: "Siddha, Suresh B" <suresh.b.siddha@intel.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>, Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>,
	Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Con Kolivas <kernel@kolivas.org>,
	"Chen, Kenneth W" <kenneth.w.chen@intel.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: smpnice loadbalancing with high priority tasks
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 11:34:44 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4431CD34.7090102@bigpond.net.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4431CA4F.3020304@bigpond.net.au>

Peter Williams wrote:
> Siddha, Suresh B wrote:
>> On Sun, Apr 02, 2006 at 05:08:33PM +1000, Peter Williams wrote:
>>> Siddha, Suresh B wrote:
>>>> Peter,
>>>>
>>>> There are still issues which we need to address.. These are surfacing
>>>> as we are patching issue by issue(instead of addressing the root 
>>>> issue, which
>>>> is: presence of high priority tasks messes up load balancing of normal
>>>> priority tasks..)
>>>>
>>>> for example
>>>>
>>>> a) on a simple 4-way MP system, if we have one high priority and 4 
>>>> normal
>>>> priority tasks, with smpnice we would like to see the high priority 
>>>> task
>>>> scheduled on one cpu, two other cpus getting one normal task each 
>>>> and the
>>>> fourth cpu getting the remaining two normal tasks. but with smpnice 
>>>> that extra normal priority task keeps jumping from one cpu to 
>>>> another cpu having
>>>> the normal priority task.
>>>>
>>>> This is because of the busiest_has_loaded_cpus, nr_loaded_cpus 
>>>> logic.. We
>>>> are not including the cpu with high priority task in max_load 
>>>> calculations
>>>> but including that in total and avg_load calcuations.. leading to 
>>>> max_load <
>>>> avg_load and load balance between cpus running normal priority 
>>>> tasks(2 Vs 1)
>>>> will always show imbalanace as one normal priority and the extra normal
>>>> priority task will keep moving from one cpu to another cpu having
>>>> normal priority task..
>>> I can't see anything like this in the code.  
>>
>> Don't you see a condition where max_load < avg_load(as mentioned in the
>> above example) and in this case, code ignores avg_load and imbalance
>> will aways be the extra normal priority task( coming from
>> "max_load - busiest_load_per_task") and this normal priority task 
>> keeps hopping from one cpu to another cpu having normal priority task..
>>
>>> Can you send a patch to fix what you think the problem in the is?
>>
>> I am looking at ways in fixing all these issues cleanly... I don't have
>> a clean solution yet...
> 
> OK.  I think this means some fiddling with avg_load may be necessary in 
> some cases but this will be complex.  I'm not really happy about making 
> this code more complex until some of the current unnecessary complexity 
> is removed.  I.e. until a proper solution to the problem of triggering 
> active_load_balance() is implemented.

I forgot to mention that I've been looking at whether mucking around 
with avg_load is necessary and so far have been unable to convince 
myself that it is.  Your argument above hasn't changed that opinion.

Peter
-- 
Peter Williams                                   pwil3058@bigpond.net.au

"Learning, n. The kind of ignorance distinguishing the studious."
  -- Ambrose Bierce

  reply	other threads:[~2006-04-04  1:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-03-28  6:00 [PATCH] sched: smpnice work around for active_load_balance() Peter Williams
2006-03-28 19:25 ` Siddha, Suresh B
2006-03-28 22:44   ` Peter Williams
2006-03-29  2:14     ` Peter Williams
2006-03-29  2:52     ` Siddha, Suresh B
2006-03-29  3:42       ` Peter Williams
2006-03-29 22:52         ` Siddha, Suresh B
2006-03-29 23:40           ` Peter Williams
2006-03-30  0:50             ` Siddha, Suresh B
2006-03-30  1:14               ` Peter Williams
2006-04-02  4:48                 ` smpnice loadbalancing with high priority tasks Siddha, Suresh B
2006-04-02  7:08                   ` Peter Williams
2006-04-04  0:24                     ` Siddha, Suresh B
2006-04-04  1:22                       ` Peter Williams
2006-04-04  1:34                         ` Peter Williams [this message]
2006-04-04  2:11                         ` Siddha, Suresh B
2006-04-04  3:24                           ` Peter Williams
2006-04-04  4:34                             ` Peter Williams
2006-04-06  2:14                             ` Peter Williams
2006-04-20  1:24                     ` [patch] smpnice: don't consider sched groups which are lightly loaded for balancing Siddha, Suresh B
2006-04-20  5:19                       ` Peter Williams
2006-04-20 16:54                         ` Siddha, Suresh B
2006-04-20 23:11                           ` Peter Williams
2006-04-20 23:49                           ` Andrew Morton
2006-04-21  0:25                             ` Siddha, Suresh B
2006-04-21  0:28                             ` Peter Williams
2006-04-21  1:25                               ` Andrew Morton
2006-04-20 17:04                         ` Siddha, Suresh B
2006-04-21  0:00                           ` Peter Williams
2006-04-03  1:04             ` [PATCH] sched: smpnice work around for active_load_balance() Peter Williams
2006-04-03 16:57               ` Siddha, Suresh B
2006-04-03 23:11                 ` Peter Williams

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