The posting of HTML format messages to this List!!!!

The posting of HTML format messages to this List!!!!

[Michael]

Hi,

I am mainly a lurker, I just read posts to keep abreast of iptables 
/netfilter...

BUT Am getting increasingly irritated by people posting HTML encoded 
messages to this list. I am sure I am not alone.

Since I have subscribed to the daily "message digest", I get summaries 
of the traffic. Any HTML encoded messages makes a short message three 
times as long, with html JUNK all through the digest.

I used to just filter out any email with html tags in it-- anyone that 
sends me html encoded messgaes is usually either a spammer or someone I 
don't want to hear from anyway....If I left it filtered then I'd receive 
1 out of 5 netfilter message digests....because of the html.

If anyone reads this, can you please just take the very brief moment to 
TURN OFF html encoding for your messages ?? Please ???

Cheers,
Michael

Re: The posting of HTML format messages to this List!!!!

[Jesse W. Asher]

And why should people continue to use an older paradigm rather than 
using a newer one?  Are you suggesting that perhaps we should all go 
back to using ASCII editors instead of word processors?

My response to this is instead of asking everyone else to limit 
themselves perhaps you should either upgrade your mail reader to one 
that handles HTML or come to the conclusion that the rest of the world 
would prefer to live in a richer email environment and learn to live 
with it.  HTML in email is here to stay and, I for one, will not go back.

Michael wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am mainly a lurker, I just read posts to keep abreast of iptables 
> /netfilter...
>
> BUT Am getting increasingly irritated by people posting HTML encoded 
> messages to this list. I am sure I am not alone.
>
> Since I have subscribed to the daily "message digest", I get summaries 
> of the traffic. Any HTML encoded messages makes a short message three 
> times as long, with html JUNK all through the digest.
>
> I used to just filter out any email with html tags in it-- anyone that 
> sends me html encoded messgaes is usually either a spammer or someone 
> I don't want to hear from anyway....If I left it filtered then I'd 
> receive 1 out of 5 netfilter message digests....because of the html.
>
> If anyone reads this, can you please just take the very brief moment 
> to TURN OFF html encoding for your messages ?? Please ???
>
> Cheers,
> Michael
>
>
>

-- 
Jesse W. Asher

"They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary
safety, deserve neither liberty or safety."  - Benjamin Franklin

Re: The posting of HTML format messages to this List!!!!

[rpjday]

On Tue, 11 Jun 2002, Jesse W. Asher wrote:

> And why should people continue to use an older paradigm rather than 
> using a newer one? 

because the older one works just fine, thanks.

> Are you suggesting that perhaps we should all go 
> back to using ASCII editors instead of word processors?

you should use the correct tool for the job and, in many cases,
having information in plain ASCII is a much more sensible decision.
> 
> My response to this is instead of asking everyone else to limit 
> themselves perhaps you should either upgrade your mail reader to one 
> that handles HTML or come to the conclusion that the rest of the world 
> would prefer to live in a richer email environment and learn to live 
> with it.

and my response to this is that you are a thoroughly inconsiderate
unthinking buffoon, who feels that the rest of the world should
accommodate itself to you, rather than the other way around.

> HTML in email is here to stay and, I for one, will not go back.

spoken like a true jerk.

rday

Re: The posting of HTML format messages to this List!!!!

[Daniel Elías Robles]

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unsubscribing from the list until this thread is over ( one more time) 

Can we finish this once for all?

Will try back in three weeks

Daniel
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "rpjday" <rpjday@mindspring.com>
To: "Jesse W. Asher" <jasher1@tampabay.rr.com>
Cc: <netfilter@lists.samba.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 6:27 AM
Subject: Re: The posting of HTML format messages to this List!!!!


> On Tue, 11 Jun 2002, Jesse W. Asher wrote:
> 
> > And why should people continue to use an older paradigm rather than 
> > using a newer one? 
> 
> because the older one works just fine, thanks.
> 
> > Are you suggesting that perhaps we should all go 
> > back to using ASCII editors instead of word processors?
> 
> you should use the correct tool for the job and, in many cases,
> having information in plain ASCII is a much more sensible decision.
> > 
> > My response to this is instead of asking everyone else to limit 
> > themselves perhaps you should either upgrade your mail reader to one 
> > that handles HTML or come to the conclusion that the rest of the world 
> > would prefer to live in a richer email environment and learn to live 
> > with it.
> 
> and my response to this is that you are a thoroughly inconsiderate
> unthinking buffoon, who feels that the rest of the world should
> accommodate itself to you, rather than the other way around.
> 
> > HTML in email is here to stay and, I for one, will not go back.
> 
> spoken like a true jerk.
> 
> rday
> 
> 
> 

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Re: The posting of HTML format messages to this List!!!!

[Tony Earnshaw]

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tir, 2002-06-11 kl. 14:40 skrev Daniel Elías Robles: 

> unsubscribing from the list until this thread is over ( one more time) 
> Can we finish this once for all?
> Will try back in three weeks

What a lot of strange people there are on this list. 

"Strange" discounting people like Ramin and Antony (not to speak of the
core team and Oskar'en min), who seem to work their arses off for us
all, and then they get this thread. I dunno. 

My Ximian Evolution handles html and ASCII and doesn't care. Itself it
sends ASCII, though it does use 8 bit. html spam and all viri from those
who send it gets chucked into the bit bucket automatically. 

Lists like OpenOffice.org, to which I subscribe, where 90% of the people
who contribute use MS Outlook / Outlook Express (because they *have* to,
because their firms/organizations *force* them to), would be chicaned
until they went and hanged themselves, had they contributed to this
particular list.

Is that what rpjday@mindspring.com wants?

Would have thought that people here who claim the nouse for themselves
to act as security bods could do the same? Not errupt in tantrums? 

Well well. 

Best, 

Tony 

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Re: The posting of HTML format messages to this List!!!!

[Michael]

>
>
>
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>Message: 10
>Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 07:13:40 -0400
>From: "Jesse W. Asher" <jasher1@tampabay.rr.com>
>To: netfilter@lists.samba.org
>Subject: Re: The posting of HTML format messages to this List!!!!
>
>
>And why should people continue to use an older paradigm rather than 
>using a newer one?  Are you suggesting that perhaps we should all go 
>back to using ASCII editors instead of word processors?
>

I didn't want to start any flame war here.

Please take what I say with good grace when I say that you are 
surprisingly ignorant.

I said I receive the daily digests that are compiled and distributed to 
my email address from netfilter mailing list. If you had ever received 
these you would realise what I mean . It is a list of all the messages 
posted to the list, one after the other in one long message. It is not 
possible to view them in any  way properly rendered if people post in 
HTML. It just doesn't work.

If you view the mailing list via 
http://lists.samba.org/pipermail/netfilter/2002-June/023640.html for 
example, crap HTML encoded messages are a big mess.

>
>
>My response to this is instead of asking everyone else to limit 
>themselves perhaps you should either upgrade your mail reader to one 
>that handles HTML or come to the conclusion that the rest of the world 
>would prefer to live in a richer email environment and learn to live 
>with it.  HTML in email is here to stay and, I for one, will not go back.
>

 
My email client is Mozilla 0.9.9. It has no trouble displaying HTML 
encoded messages. If a *properly* encoded singular email message arrives 
it is displayed correctly.

If a long list of email messages, one after the other, some plain text, 
some html, is received (Like a netfilter Digest ) the rendering is 
impossible.

Do you get it now??? I did say please....

BTW, are you twelve years old?? Former Web TV user??


Cheers,
Michael

RE: The posting of HTML format messages to this List!!!!

[Duquette, John]

 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tony Earnshaw [mailto:tonni@billy.demon.nl] 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 09:59 AM
> To: Daniel Elías Robles
> Cc: Netfilter
> Subject: Re: The posting of HTML format messages to this List!!!!
> 
> 
> tir, 2002-06-11 kl. 14:40 skrev Daniel Elías Robles: 
> 
> > unsubscribing from the list until this thread is over ( one 
> more time)
> > Can we finish this once for all?
> > Will try back in three weeks
> 
> What a lot of strange people there are on this list. 
> 
> "Strange" discounting people like Ramin and Antony (not to 
> speak of the core team and Oskar'en min), who seem to work 
> their arses off for us all, and then they get this thread. I dunno.
>   
> 
> My Ximian Evolution handles html and ASCII and doesn't care. 
> Itself it sends ASCII, though it does use 8 bit. html spam 
> and all viri from those who send it gets chucked into the bit 
> bucket automatically. 
> 
> Lists like OpenOffice.org, to which I subscribe, where 90% of 
> the people who contribute use MS Outlook / Outlook Express 
> (because they *have* to, because their firms/organizations 
> *force* them to), would be chicaned until they went and 
> hanged themselves, had they contributed to this particular list.

Hardly true.  I work for a company that forces me to use MS Outlook
and it is a trivial setting to send mail in plain text.  People don't
because its easier to leave it be.

This is a technical list.  A large number of subscribers probably use
TEXT based email applications (Elm, Pine and Mutt come to mind)
therefore out of courtesy to them, and to the digest readers, it is
not too hard to send in ascii.  After all, they might even know the
answer to your question.

Personally, I could care.  All the email apps I use just remove html
formatting, yes even outlook and I have to admit, I greatly prefer to
see my mail without the pretty pictures and fonts.



> Is that what rpjday@mindspring.com wants?
> 
> Would have thought that people here who claim the nouse for 
> themselves to act as security bods could do the same? Not 
> errupt in tantrums? 
> 
> Well well. 
> 
> Best, 
> 
> Tony 
> 
> -- 
> 
> Tony Earnshaw
> 
> e-post:		tonni@billy.demon.nl
> www:		http://www.billy.demon.nl
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> 
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Re: The posting of HTML format messages to this List!!!!

[Brent Scriver]

Interesting.  Then it must be more the behaviour of the clients then because
usually clients send a text/plain version of what they have in addition to
any other formats (defined under multipart/alternative to support multiple,
progressively more formatted views).  So it sounds like it really is a
client thing where you end up deleting email simply because one of those
alternative streams contains html tags.  If anything it would be the client
that prevents you from indicating you only want to look at the text/plain
stream and ignore the rest.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Duquette, John" <john.duquette@eds.com>
To: "Netfilter" <netfilter@lists.samba.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 9:52 AM
Subject: RE: The posting of HTML format messages to this List!!!!



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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tony Earnshaw [mailto:tonni@billy.demon.nl]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 09:59 AM
> To: Daniel Elías Robles
> Cc: Netfilter
> Subject: Re: The posting of HTML format messages to this List!!!!
>
>
> tir, 2002-06-11 kl. 14:40 skrev Daniel Elías Robles:
>
> > unsubscribing from the list until this thread is over ( one
> more time)
> > Can we finish this once for all?
> > Will try back in three weeks
>
> What a lot of strange people there are on this list.
>
> "Strange" discounting people like Ramin and Antony (not to
> speak of the core team and Oskar'en min), who seem to work
> their arses off for us all, and then they get this thread. I dunno.
>
>
> My Ximian Evolution handles html and ASCII and doesn't care.
> Itself it sends ASCII, though it does use 8 bit. html spam
> and all viri from those who send it gets chucked into the bit
> bucket automatically.
>
> Lists like OpenOffice.org, to which I subscribe, where 90% of
> the people who contribute use MS Outlook / Outlook Express
> (because they *have* to, because their firms/organizations
> *force* them to), would be chicaned until they went and
> hanged themselves, had they contributed to this particular list.

Hardly true.  I work for a company that forces me to use MS Outlook
and it is a trivial setting to send mail in plain text.  People don't
because its easier to leave it be.

This is a technical list.  A large number of subscribers probably use
TEXT based email applications (Elm, Pine and Mutt come to mind)
therefore out of courtesy to them, and to the digest readers, it is
not too hard to send in ascii.  After all, they might even know the
answer to your question.

Personally, I could care.  All the email apps I use just remove html
formatting, yes even outlook and I have to admit, I greatly prefer to
see my mail without the pretty pictures and fonts.



> Is that what rpjday@mindspring.com wants?
>
> Would have thought that people here who claim the nouse for
> themselves to act as security bods could do the same? Not
> errupt in tantrums?
>
> Well well.
>
> Best,
>
> Tony
>
> --
>
> Tony Earnshaw
>
> e-post: tonni@billy.demon.nl
> www: http://www.billy.demon.nl
> gpg public key: http://www.billy.demon.nl/tonni.armor
>
> Telefoon: (+31) (0)172 530428
> Mobiel: (+31) (0)6 51153356
>
> GPG Fingerprint = 3924 6BF8 A755 DE1A 4AD6 FA2B F7D7 6051
> 3BE7 B981 3BE7B981
>
>

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