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From: "Joshua Hintze" <joshh@imsar.com>
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-ide@vger.kernel.org
Subject: RE: PATA IDE is slower in newer versions of kernel
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 11:12:31 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <010901cb5754$ae6735a0$0b35a0e0$@com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100917154732.330c4b1b@varda>

Some updated information. I created a screen capture of what I am seeing. First is the logic analyzer when the newer linux kernel is writing slow to the PATA port.

http://i56.tinypic.com/oqhrug.png

Notice in the above link how there is a lot of activating and then large gaps of no activity. After about 9 mS the STOP line is strobed a few times and then DMARQ finally returns to normal operating. The link below shows the picture of an old 2.6.10 kernel where write speeds are much faster.

http://i51.tinypic.com/a9wiur.png

In the above image notice how the wait time is considerable less 100's of microseconds before the stop lines get strobed.

I'm dedicated to continue working on the problem, I just need to advice from the linux community. I've tried different I/O schedulers such as noop and anticipatory and I'm studying the ide-dma code but still lost to where this is happening.

Thanks!



-----Original Message-----
From: linux-ide-owner@vger.kernel.org [mailto:linux-ide-owner@vger.kernel.org] On Behalf Of Alejandro Riveira Fernández
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 7:48 AM
To: Joshua Hintze
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org; linux-ide@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: PATA IDE is slower in newer versions of kernel

El Thu, 16 Sep 2010 17:30:51 -0600
"Joshua Hintze" <joshh@imsar.com> escribió:

 [ Just CC linux-ide ]

> Hello, 
> 
> I've been digging into this for a couple weeks now. I have an embedded board
> that runs Linux Kernel 2.6.10 that is connected to a SSD over a PATA
> connection. Data is transferred using UDMA4 speeds and I get a nice
> sustained write speed of about 20 MBps which is adequate for us. 
> 
> I have recently taken the plunge to update to a newer version of the kernel
> starting at 2.6.32 (also tried 2.6.33) and what I am seeing writes speeds
> drop to about 18 MBps peak with large jumps going from 8 MBps->16 MBs for
> sustained throughput.
> 
> I decided to read up on the ATA specification and I connected a logic
> analyzer to the PATA bus and here is what is happening...after a large chunk
> of data is written to the device, instead of the device pausing the transfer
> by asserting DDMARDY it actual initiates a device data-out termination by
> pulling DMARQ low.
> 
> The old kernel 2.6.10 responds to this by strobing the STOP line 8 times
> within 800uS and the device releases DMARQ shortly afterwards. On the newer
> kernels the strobing of the STOP line takes near 8mS of time. Since the hard
> drive only release DMARQ after this 8 pulse strobe I believe this is the
> cause of the slower write speeds on the newer kernels. This whole process
> happens thousands of times when writing megs of data. So those extra 7mS
> begin to add up fast.
> 
> My problem is I've been digging through the ide.c/ide-dma.c and other code
> but I'm not exactly sure where the code would jump to upon a device
> initiated termination on a data-out dma transfer.
> 
> My guess is ide_dma_intr(...). Is this correct?
> 
> Any other areas I could look at?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> 
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From: "Joshua Hintze" <joshh@imsar.com>
To: <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, <linux-ide@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: RE: PATA IDE is slower in newer versions of kernel
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 11:12:31 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <010901cb5754$ae6735a0$0b35a0e0$@com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100917154732.330c4b1b@varda>

Some updated information. I created a screen capture of what I am seeing. First is the logic analyzer when the newer linux kernel is writing slow to the PATA port.

http://i56.tinypic.com/oqhrug.png

Notice in the above link how there is a lot of activating and then large gaps of no activity. After about 9 mS the STOP line is strobed a few times and then DMARQ finally returns to normal operating. The link below shows the picture of an old 2.6.10 kernel where write speeds are much faster.

http://i51.tinypic.com/a9wiur.png

In the above image notice how the wait time is considerable less 100's of microseconds before the stop lines get strobed.

I'm dedicated to continue working on the problem, I just need to advice from the linux community. I've tried different I/O schedulers such as noop and anticipatory and I'm studying the ide-dma code but still lost to where this is happening.

Thanks!



-----Original Message-----
From: linux-ide-owner@vger.kernel.org [mailto:linux-ide-owner@vger.kernel.org] On Behalf Of Alejandro Riveira Fernández
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 7:48 AM
To: Joshua Hintze
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org; linux-ide@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: PATA IDE is slower in newer versions of kernel

El Thu, 16 Sep 2010 17:30:51 -0600
"Joshua Hintze" <joshh@imsar.com> escribió:

 [ Just CC linux-ide ]

> Hello, 
> 
> I've been digging into this for a couple weeks now. I have an embedded board
> that runs Linux Kernel 2.6.10 that is connected to a SSD over a PATA
> connection. Data is transferred using UDMA4 speeds and I get a nice
> sustained write speed of about 20 MBps which is adequate for us. 
> 
> I have recently taken the plunge to update to a newer version of the kernel
> starting at 2.6.32 (also tried 2.6.33) and what I am seeing writes speeds
> drop to about 18 MBps peak with large jumps going from 8 MBps->16 MBs for
> sustained throughput.
> 
> I decided to read up on the ATA specification and I connected a logic
> analyzer to the PATA bus and here is what is happening...after a large chunk
> of data is written to the device, instead of the device pausing the transfer
> by asserting DDMARDY it actual initiates a device data-out termination by
> pulling DMARQ low.
> 
> The old kernel 2.6.10 responds to this by strobing the STOP line 8 times
> within 800uS and the device releases DMARQ shortly afterwards. On the newer
> kernels the strobing of the STOP line takes near 8mS of time. Since the hard
> drive only release DMARQ after this 8 pulse strobe I believe this is the
> cause of the slower write speeds on the newer kernels. This whole process
> happens thousands of times when writing megs of data. So those extra 7mS
> begin to add up fast.
> 
> My problem is I've been digging through the ide.c/ide-dma.c and other code
> but I'm not exactly sure where the code would jump to upon a device
> initiated termination on a data-out dma transfer.
> 
> My guess is ide_dma_intr(...). Is this correct?
> 
> Any other areas I could look at?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> 
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  reply	other threads:[~2010-09-18 17:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-09-16 23:30 PATA IDE is slower in newer versions of kernel Joshua Hintze
2010-09-17 13:47 ` Alejandro Riveira Fernández
2010-09-17 13:47   ` Alejandro Riveira Fernández
2010-09-18 17:12   ` Joshua Hintze [this message]
2010-09-18 17:12     ` Joshua Hintze
2010-09-18 19:22     ` Maxim Levitsky
2010-09-18 19:43       ` Joshua Hintze
2010-09-18 19:43         ` Joshua Hintze
2010-09-18 19:47         ` Randy Dunlap
2010-09-18 19:47           ` Randy Dunlap
2010-09-18 20:02           ` Joshua Hintze
2010-09-18 20:02             ` Joshua Hintze
2010-09-18 20:04       ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-09-19  0:59     ` Alan Cox
2010-09-19  0:59       ` Alan Cox
2010-09-19  4:23       ` Joshua Hintze
2010-09-19  4:23         ` Joshua Hintze
     [not found] ` <4C97ACBC.3050303@mnsu.edu>
2010-09-20 19:55   ` Joshua Hintze
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2010-09-16 21:22 Joshua Hintze

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