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From: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>
To: Chris Lameter <cl@linux.com>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-api <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
	Dave Watson <davejwatson@fb.com>, Paul Turner <pjt@google.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Russell King <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>, Ben Maurer <bmaurer@fb.com>,
	rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	Micha
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH for 4.18] rseq: use __u64 for rseq_cs fields, validate user inputs
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2018 20:23:11 -0400 (EDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1020760632.10855.1530577391822.JavaMail.zimbra@efficios.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <010001645d81f652-8a506dd2-cd49-47f9-950a-24ef52bda9f7-000000@email.amazonses.com>

----- On Jul 2, 2018, at 8:19 PM, Chris Lameter cl@linux.com wrote:

> On Mon, 2 Jul 2018, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
> 
>> Are there any kind of guarantees that a __u64 update on a 32-bit architecture
>> won't be torn into something daft like byte-per-byte stores when performed
>> from C code ?
>>
>> I don't worry whether the upper bits get updated or how, but I really care
>> about not having store tearing of the low bits update.
> 
> Platforms with 32 bit word size only guarantee atomicity of a 32 bit
> write or RMV instruction.
> 
> Special instructions may exist on a platform to perform 64 bit atomic
> updates. We use cmpxchg64 f.e. on Intel 32 bit platforms to guarantee
> atomicity8.
> 
> So use the macros that we have to guarantee 64 bit ops and you should be
> fine. See linux/arch/x86/include/asm/atomic64_32.h

We are talking about user-space here. What we need is a single instruction
atomic store, similar to what WRITE_ONCE() does in the kernel. The discussion
is about whether doing the user-space equivalent of a WRITE_ONCE() to a u64
on a 32-bit architecture should be considered to provide single-copy atomicity
on the low 32 bits.

Thanks,

Mathieu


-- 
Mathieu Desnoyers
EfficiOS Inc.
http://www.efficios.com

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From: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>
To: Chris Lameter <cl@linux.com>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-api <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
	Dave Watson <davejwatson@fb.com>, Paul Turner <pjt@google.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Russell King <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>, Ben Maurer <bmaurer@fb.com>,
	rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	Michael Kerrisk <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>,
	Joel Fernandes <joelaf@google.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH for 4.18] rseq: use __u64 for rseq_cs fields, validate user inputs
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2018 20:23:11 -0400 (EDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1020760632.10855.1530577391822.JavaMail.zimbra@efficios.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <010001645d81f652-8a506dd2-cd49-47f9-950a-24ef52bda9f7-000000@email.amazonses.com>

----- On Jul 2, 2018, at 8:19 PM, Chris Lameter cl@linux.com wrote:

> On Mon, 2 Jul 2018, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
> 
>> Are there any kind of guarantees that a __u64 update on a 32-bit architecture
>> won't be torn into something daft like byte-per-byte stores when performed
>> from C code ?
>>
>> I don't worry whether the upper bits get updated or how, but I really care
>> about not having store tearing of the low bits update.
> 
> Platforms with 32 bit word size only guarantee atomicity of a 32 bit
> write or RMV instruction.
> 
> Special instructions may exist on a platform to perform 64 bit atomic
> updates. We use cmpxchg64 f.e. on Intel 32 bit platforms to guarantee
> atomicity8.
> 
> So use the macros that we have to guarantee 64 bit ops and you should be
> fine. See linux/arch/x86/include/asm/atomic64_32.h

We are talking about user-space here. What we need is a single instruction
atomic store, similar to what WRITE_ONCE() does in the kernel. The discussion
is about whether doing the user-space equivalent of a WRITE_ONCE() to a u64
on a 32-bit architecture should be considered to provide single-copy atomicity
on the low 32 bits.

Thanks,

Mathieu


-- 
Mathieu Desnoyers
EfficiOS Inc.
http://www.efficios.com

  reply	other threads:[~2018-07-03  0:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-07-02 22:31 [RFC PATCH for 4.18] rseq: use __u64 for rseq_cs fields, validate user inputs Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-02 22:31 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-02 22:45 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-02 22:45   ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-02 23:00   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-02 23:00     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-02 23:06     ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-02 23:06       ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-02 23:16       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-02 23:16         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-02 23:22         ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-02 23:22           ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-02 23:25           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-02 23:25             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-02 23:22         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-02 23:22           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-02 23:37           ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-07-02 23:37             ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-07-03  1:19             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03  1:19               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03  2:01               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03  2:01                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03  2:18                 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-03  2:18                   ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-03  2:30                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03  2:30                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03  2:33                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-07-03  2:33                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-07-03  2:44                     ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-03  2:44                       ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-03  8:14                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03  8:14                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03  8:29                       ` Heiko Carstens
2018-07-03  8:29                         ` Heiko Carstens
2018-07-03  8:43                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03  8:43                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03  8:55                           ` Heiko Carstens
2018-07-03  8:55                             ` Heiko Carstens
2018-07-03  9:17                             ` Heiko Carstens
2018-07-03  9:17                               ` Heiko Carstens
2018-07-03  9:24                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03  9:24                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03  9:21                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03  9:21                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03 16:40                               ` Andi Kleen
2018-07-03 16:40                                 ` Andi Kleen
2018-07-03 17:02                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03 17:02                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03 17:06                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-07-03 17:06                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-07-03 17:10                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-03 17:10                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-03 17:26                                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03 17:26                                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03 17:34                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03 17:34                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03 17:38                                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03 17:38                                       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03 17:48                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03 17:48                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03 17:58                                         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03 17:58                                           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03 18:11                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03 18:11                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03 18:15                                             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03 18:15                                               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03 18:28                                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03 18:28                                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03 18:41                                                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03 18:41                                                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03 19:08                                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03 19:08                                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03 17:59                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-03 17:59                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-03 18:09                                           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03 18:09                                             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03 18:10                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03 18:10                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03  0:19         ` Christopher Lameter
2018-07-03  0:19           ` Christopher Lameter
2018-07-03  0:23           ` Mathieu Desnoyers [this message]
2018-07-03  0:23             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03  0:35             ` Christopher Lameter
2018-07-03  0:35               ` Christopher Lameter
2018-07-03  1:17               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03  1:17                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers

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