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From: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	heiko carstens <heiko.carstens@de.ibm.com>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-api <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	Dave Watson <davejwatson@fb.com>, Paul Turner <pjt@google.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Russell King <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Chris Lameter <cl@linux.com>, Ben Maurer <bmaurer@fb.com>,
	rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>Will Deacon <w>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH for 4.18] rseq: use __u64 for rseq_cs fields, validate user inputs
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2018 14:09:53 -0400 (EDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <775833760.11858.1530641393364.JavaMail.zimbra@efficios.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFxcVbG2DMmmrW-HLTXZE+rcBWc5F48UYoL2heEsEpyO=g@mail.gmail.com>

----- On Jul 3, 2018, at 1:59 PM, Linus Torvalds torvalds@linux-foundation.org wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 10:49 AM Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
>>
>> > I can simply document that loads/stores from/to all struct rseq fields
>> > should be thread-local then ?
>>
>> I'm not sure that covers things sufficiently. You really want the
>> userspace load/stores to be single instructions.
> 
> Actually, I think we should try very hard to limit even that to _just_
> the rseq pointer itself.
> 
> Everything else can be filled in ahead of time with non-atomic stores,
> and then the last thing that happens - and the only thing that wants
> that final "one last atomic write" is the rseq pointer write.
> 
> No?

Well a small nit here: the rseq->rseq_cs pointer store is performed
at the _very beginning_ of the rseq critical section. We indeed want
that store to be performed as a single instruction by user-space.

What I think you have in mind as "one last atomic write" is the commit
instruction at the end of the critical section, which does not touch
any field in struct rseq.

> 
> So I'd suggest that the only part we aim to have any "atomic" behavior
> at all is for the individual fields in "struct rseq" itself. So the
> cpu id and the base pointer and the flags. And even they are
> thread-local, so the atomicity is not about the kernel, but about user
> space needing to read and update them in word-sized chunks.
> 
> End result: absolutely nothing is atomic for the kernel.

Yes, +1. If everyone is OK with that I'll go and implement the changes
within the coming day.

Thanks,

Mathieu


-- 
Mathieu Desnoyers
EfficiOS Inc.
http://www.efficios.com

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From: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	heiko carstens <heiko.carstens@de.ibm.com>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-api <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	Dave Watson <davejwatson@fb.com>, Paul Turner <pjt@google.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Russell King <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Chris Lameter <cl@linux.com>, Ben Maurer <bmaurer@fb.com>,
	rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	Michael Kerrisk <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>,
	Joel Fernandes <joelaf@google.com>,
	Michal Simek <michal.simek@xilinx.com>,
	schwidefsky <schwidefsky@de.ibm.com>, gor <gor@linux.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH for 4.18] rseq: use __u64 for rseq_cs fields, validate user inputs
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2018 14:09:53 -0400 (EDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <775833760.11858.1530641393364.JavaMail.zimbra@efficios.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFxcVbG2DMmmrW-HLTXZE+rcBWc5F48UYoL2heEsEpyO=g@mail.gmail.com>

----- On Jul 3, 2018, at 1:59 PM, Linus Torvalds torvalds@linux-foundation.org wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 10:49 AM Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
>>
>> > I can simply document that loads/stores from/to all struct rseq fields
>> > should be thread-local then ?
>>
>> I'm not sure that covers things sufficiently. You really want the
>> userspace load/stores to be single instructions.
> 
> Actually, I think we should try very hard to limit even that to _just_
> the rseq pointer itself.
> 
> Everything else can be filled in ahead of time with non-atomic stores,
> and then the last thing that happens - and the only thing that wants
> that final "one last atomic write" is the rseq pointer write.
> 
> No?

Well a small nit here: the rseq->rseq_cs pointer store is performed
at the _very beginning_ of the rseq critical section. We indeed want
that store to be performed as a single instruction by user-space.

What I think you have in mind as "one last atomic write" is the commit
instruction at the end of the critical section, which does not touch
any field in struct rseq.

> 
> So I'd suggest that the only part we aim to have any "atomic" behavior
> at all is for the individual fields in "struct rseq" itself. So the
> cpu id and the base pointer and the flags. And even they are
> thread-local, so the atomicity is not about the kernel, but about user
> space needing to read and update them in word-sized chunks.
> 
> End result: absolutely nothing is atomic for the kernel.

Yes, +1. If everyone is OK with that I'll go and implement the changes
within the coming day.

Thanks,

Mathieu


-- 
Mathieu Desnoyers
EfficiOS Inc.
http://www.efficios.com

  reply	other threads:[~2018-07-03 18:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-07-02 22:31 [RFC PATCH for 4.18] rseq: use __u64 for rseq_cs fields, validate user inputs Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-02 22:31 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-02 22:45 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-02 22:45   ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-02 23:00   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-02 23:00     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-02 23:06     ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-02 23:06       ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-02 23:16       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-02 23:16         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-02 23:22         ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-02 23:22           ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-02 23:25           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-02 23:25             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-02 23:22         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-02 23:22           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-02 23:37           ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-07-02 23:37             ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-07-03  1:19             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03  1:19               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03  2:01               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03  2:01                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03  2:18                 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-03  2:18                   ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-03  2:30                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03  2:30                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03  2:33                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-07-03  2:33                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-07-03  2:44                     ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-03  2:44                       ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-03  8:14                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03  8:14                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03  8:29                       ` Heiko Carstens
2018-07-03  8:29                         ` Heiko Carstens
2018-07-03  8:43                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03  8:43                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03  8:55                           ` Heiko Carstens
2018-07-03  8:55                             ` Heiko Carstens
2018-07-03  9:17                             ` Heiko Carstens
2018-07-03  9:17                               ` Heiko Carstens
2018-07-03  9:24                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03  9:24                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03  9:21                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03  9:21                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03 16:40                               ` Andi Kleen
2018-07-03 16:40                                 ` Andi Kleen
2018-07-03 17:02                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03 17:02                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03 17:06                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-07-03 17:06                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-07-03 17:10                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-03 17:10                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-03 17:26                                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03 17:26                                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03 17:34                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03 17:34                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03 17:38                                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03 17:38                                       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03 17:48                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03 17:48                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03 17:58                                         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03 17:58                                           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03 18:11                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03 18:11                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03 18:15                                             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03 18:15                                               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03 18:28                                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03 18:28                                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03 18:41                                                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03 18:41                                                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03 19:08                                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03 19:08                                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03 17:59                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-03 17:59                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-03 18:09                                           ` Mathieu Desnoyers [this message]
2018-07-03 18:09                                             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03 18:10                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03 18:10                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03  0:19         ` Christopher Lameter
2018-07-03  0:19           ` Christopher Lameter
2018-07-03  0:23           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03  0:23             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03  0:35             ` Christopher Lameter
2018-07-03  0:35               ` Christopher Lameter
2018-07-03  1:17               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03  1:17                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers

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