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From: Heiko Carstens <heiko.carstens@de.ibm.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-api <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	Dave Watson <davejwatson@fb.com>, Paul Turner <pjt@google.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Russell King <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>, Chris Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
	Ben Maurer <bmaurer@fb.com>, rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH for 4.18] rseq: use __u64 for rseq_cs fields, validate user inputs
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2018 10:55:46 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180703085546.GJ3704@osiris> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180703084312.GU2494@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>

> > > We're piece-wise enabling rseq across architectures anyway, and when the
> > > relevant maintains do this, they can have a look at their
> > > {get,put}_user() implementations and fix them.
> > > 
> > > If you rely on get_user(u64) working, that means microblaze is already
> > > broken, but I suppose it already was, since their rseq enablement patch
> > > is extremely dodgy. Michal?
> > 
> > s390 uses the mvcos instruction to implement get_user(). That instruction
> > is not defined to be atomic, but may copy bytes piecemeal.. I had the
> > impression that the rseq fields are supposed to be updated within the
> > context of a single thread (user + kernel space).
> > 
> > However if another user space thread is allowed to do this as well, then
> > the get_user() approach won't fly on s390.
> > 
> > That leaves the question: does it even make sense for a thread to update
> > the rseq structure of a different thread?
> 
> The problem is interrupts; we need interrupts on the CPU doing the store
> to observe either the old or the new value, not a mix.
> 
> If mvcos does not guarantee that, we're having problems. Is there a
> reason get_user() cannot use a 'regular' load?

Well, that's single instruction semantics. This is something we actually
can guarantee, since the mvcos instruction itself won't be interrupted and
copies all 1/2/4/8 bytes in a row.

So we are talking about that single instructions are required and not
atomic accesses?

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Heiko Carstens <heiko.carstens@de.ibm.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-api <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	Dave Watson <davejwatson@fb.com>, Paul Turner <pjt@google.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Russell King <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>, Chris Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
	Ben Maurer <bmaurer@fb.com>, rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	Michael Kerrisk <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>,
	Joel Fernandes <joelaf@google.com>,
	michal.simek@xilinx.com,
	Martin Schwidefsky <schwidefsky@de.ibm.com>,
	Vasily Gorbik <gor@linux.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH for 4.18] rseq: use __u64 for rseq_cs fields, validate user inputs
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2018 10:55:46 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180703085546.GJ3704@osiris> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180703084312.GU2494@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>

> > > We're piece-wise enabling rseq across architectures anyway, and when the
> > > relevant maintains do this, they can have a look at their
> > > {get,put}_user() implementations and fix them.
> > > 
> > > If you rely on get_user(u64) working, that means microblaze is already
> > > broken, but I suppose it already was, since their rseq enablement patch
> > > is extremely dodgy. Michal?
> > 
> > s390 uses the mvcos instruction to implement get_user(). That instruction
> > is not defined to be atomic, but may copy bytes piecemeal.. I had the
> > impression that the rseq fields are supposed to be updated within the
> > context of a single thread (user + kernel space).
> > 
> > However if another user space thread is allowed to do this as well, then
> > the get_user() approach won't fly on s390.
> > 
> > That leaves the question: does it even make sense for a thread to update
> > the rseq structure of a different thread?
> 
> The problem is interrupts; we need interrupts on the CPU doing the store
> to observe either the old or the new value, not a mix.
> 
> If mvcos does not guarantee that, we're having problems. Is there a
> reason get_user() cannot use a 'regular' load?

Well, that's single instruction semantics. This is something we actually
can guarantee, since the mvcos instruction itself won't be interrupted and
copies all 1/2/4/8 bytes in a row.

So we are talking about that single instructions are required and not
atomic accesses?


  reply	other threads:[~2018-07-03  8:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-07-02 22:31 [RFC PATCH for 4.18] rseq: use __u64 for rseq_cs fields, validate user inputs Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-02 22:31 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-02 22:45 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-02 22:45   ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-02 23:00   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-02 23:00     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-02 23:06     ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-02 23:06       ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-02 23:16       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-02 23:16         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-02 23:22         ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-02 23:22           ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-02 23:25           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-02 23:25             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-02 23:22         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-02 23:22           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-02 23:37           ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-07-02 23:37             ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-07-03  1:19             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03  1:19               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03  2:01               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03  2:01                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03  2:18                 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-03  2:18                   ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-03  2:30                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03  2:30                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03  2:33                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-07-03  2:33                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-07-03  2:44                     ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-03  2:44                       ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-03  8:14                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03  8:14                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03  8:29                       ` Heiko Carstens
2018-07-03  8:29                         ` Heiko Carstens
2018-07-03  8:43                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03  8:43                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03  8:55                           ` Heiko Carstens [this message]
2018-07-03  8:55                             ` Heiko Carstens
2018-07-03  9:17                             ` Heiko Carstens
2018-07-03  9:17                               ` Heiko Carstens
2018-07-03  9:24                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03  9:24                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03  9:21                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03  9:21                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03 16:40                               ` Andi Kleen
2018-07-03 16:40                                 ` Andi Kleen
2018-07-03 17:02                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03 17:02                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03 17:06                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-07-03 17:06                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-07-03 17:10                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-03 17:10                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-03 17:26                                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03 17:26                                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03 17:34                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03 17:34                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03 17:38                                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03 17:38                                       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03 17:48                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03 17:48                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03 17:58                                         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03 17:58                                           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03 18:11                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03 18:11                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03 18:15                                             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03 18:15                                               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03 18:28                                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03 18:28                                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03 18:41                                                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03 18:41                                                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03 19:08                                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03 19:08                                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03 17:59                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-03 17:59                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-03 18:09                                           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03 18:09                                             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03 18:10                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03 18:10                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03  0:19         ` Christopher Lameter
2018-07-03  0:19           ` Christopher Lameter
2018-07-03  0:23           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03  0:23             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03  0:35             ` Christopher Lameter
2018-07-03  0:35               ` Christopher Lameter
2018-07-03  1:17               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03  1:17                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers

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