From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
To: Dave Airlie <airlied@gmail.com>
Cc: Thomas Petazzoni <thomas.petazzoni@free-electrons.com>,
Linux Fbdev development list <linux-fbdev@vger.kernel.org>,
Teddy Wang <teddy.wang@siliconmotion.com>,
Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
dri-devel <dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
Tomi Valkeinen <tomi.valkeinen@ti.com>,
Sudip Mukherjee <sudipm.mukherjee@gmail.com>,
Arnaud Patard <arnaud.patard@rtp-net.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] staging: remove fbdev drivers
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2016 11:40:26 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1481283626.27965.9.camel@kernel.crashing.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPM=9twUSRvfmh2ENMXTwCx-ULGzmPpyHs_wMM0XGDeWHMhnXw@mail.gmail.com>
On Fri, 2016-12-09 at 10:08 +1000, Dave Airlie wrote:
> What are people using fbcon for that needs acceleration, this is where I get
> a bit lost.
>
> It's a console, if you aren't sshing into the machine.
>
> It's main purpose should just be for gathering oopses and you've a lot better
> chance of getting an oops if you don't have some sketchy gpu accel in the way.
There are other uses for systems running Linux than being a server or desktop :-)
> The acceleration that most of the 2D things provide isn't ever that
> great, and shadowing is a lot more effective if done properly.
Not with a 400Mhz ARM9 processor on a fairly high res display. In these
case basic old things like color expansion for font rendering, bit
blits and solid fills for scrolls work beautifully. Anyway I just
realized that the ARM side of the AST GPU doesn't have the accel bits
at all anyway, only the host side, so I'm back to just a dumb FB. I
still want to avoid the copies though.
> It's a feature
> that kernel ppl obsess over but I don't get a lot of real world feedback,
> (booting 9000 scsi nodes with debug on takes a long time was possibly
> something I heard once, and I think we resolved).
Ben.
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
To: Dave Airlie <airlied@gmail.com>
Cc: Thomas Petazzoni <thomas.petazzoni@free-electrons.com>,
Linux Fbdev development list <linux-fbdev@vger.kernel.org>,
Teddy Wang <teddy.wang@siliconmotion.com>,
Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
dri-devel <dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
Tomi Valkeinen <tomi.valkeinen@ti.com>,
Sudip Mukherjee <sudipm.mukherjee@gmail.com>,
Arnaud Patard <arnaud.patard@rtp-net.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] staging: remove fbdev drivers
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2016 22:40:26 +1100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1481283626.27965.9.camel@kernel.crashing.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPM=9twUSRvfmh2ENMXTwCx-ULGzmPpyHs_wMM0XGDeWHMhnXw@mail.gmail.com>
On Fri, 2016-12-09 at 10:08 +1000, Dave Airlie wrote:
> What are people using fbcon for that needs acceleration, this is where I get
> a bit lost.
>
> It's a console, if you aren't sshing into the machine.
>
> It's main purpose should just be for gathering oopses and you've a lot better
> chance of getting an oops if you don't have some sketchy gpu accel in the way.
There are other uses for systems running Linux than being a server or desktop :-)
> The acceleration that most of the 2D things provide isn't ever that
> great, and shadowing is a lot more effective if done properly.
Not with a 400Mhz ARM9 processor on a fairly high res display. In these
case basic old things like color expansion for font rendering, bit
blits and solid fills for scrolls work beautifully. Anyway I just
realized that the ARM side of the AST GPU doesn't have the accel bits
at all anyway, only the host side, so I'm back to just a dumb FB. I
still want to avoid the copies though.
> It's a feature
> that kernel ppl obsess over but I don't get a lot of real world feedback,
> (booting 9000 scsi nodes with debug on takes a long time was possibly
> something I heard once, and I think we resolved).
Ben.
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From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
To: Dave Airlie <airlied@gmail.com>
Cc: Daniel Vetter <daniel@ffwll.ch>,
Thomas Petazzoni <thomas.petazzoni@free-electrons.com>,
Linux Fbdev development list <linux-fbdev@vger.kernel.org>,
Teddy Wang <teddy.wang@siliconmotion.com>,
Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
dri-devel <dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
Tomi Valkeinen <tomi.valkeinen@ti.com>,
Sudip Mukherjee <sudipm.mukherjee@gmail.com>,
Arnaud Patard <arnaud.patard@rtp-net.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] staging: remove fbdev drivers
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2016 22:40:26 +1100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1481283626.27965.9.camel@kernel.crashing.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPM=9twUSRvfmh2ENMXTwCx-ULGzmPpyHs_wMM0XGDeWHMhnXw@mail.gmail.com>
On Fri, 2016-12-09 at 10:08 +1000, Dave Airlie wrote:
> What are people using fbcon for that needs acceleration, this is where I get
> a bit lost.
>
> It's a console, if you aren't sshing into the machine.
>
> It's main purpose should just be for gathering oopses and you've a lot better
> chance of getting an oops if you don't have some sketchy gpu accel in the way.
There are other uses for systems running Linux than being a server or desktop :-)
> The acceleration that most of the 2D things provide isn't ever that
> great, and shadowing is a lot more effective if done properly.
Not with a 400Mhz ARM9 processor on a fairly high res display. In these
case basic old things like color expansion for font rendering, bit
blits and solid fills for scrolls work beautifully. Anyway I just
realized that the ARM side of the AST GPU doesn't have the accel bits
at all anyway, only the host side, so I'm back to just a dumb FB. I
still want to avoid the copies though.
> It's a feature
> that kernel ppl obsess over but I don't get a lot of real world feedback,
> (booting 9000 scsi nodes with debug on takes a long time was possibly
> something I heard once, and I think we resolved).
Ben.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-12-09 11:40 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 154+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-11-23 8:03 [RFC PATCH 0/3] staging: remove fbdev drivers Tomi Valkeinen
2016-11-23 8:03 ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-11-23 8:03 ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-11-23 8:03 ` [RFC PATCH 1/3] staging: remove xgifb Tomi Valkeinen
2016-11-23 8:03 ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-11-23 8:03 ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-11-23 8:03 ` [RFC PATCH 2/3] staging: remove sm750fb Tomi Valkeinen
2016-11-23 8:03 ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-11-23 8:03 ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-11-23 8:03 ` [RFC PATCH 3/3] staging: remove fbtft Tomi Valkeinen
2016-11-23 8:03 ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-11-23 8:03 ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-11-23 17:26 ` Noralf Trønnes
2016-11-23 17:26 ` Noralf Trønnes
2016-11-23 17:26 ` Noralf Trønnes
2016-11-24 8:36 ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-11-24 8:36 ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-11-24 8:36 ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-11-23 20:12 ` Drew Fustini
2016-11-23 20:12 ` Drew Fustini
2016-11-23 8:19 ` [RFC PATCH 0/3] staging: remove fbdev drivers Daniel Vetter
2016-11-23 8:19 ` Daniel Vetter
2016-11-23 8:19 ` Daniel Vetter
2016-11-23 8:21 ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-11-23 8:21 ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-11-23 8:25 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-11-23 8:25 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-11-23 8:25 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-11-23 8:45 ` Daniel Vetter
2016-11-23 8:45 ` Daniel Vetter
2016-11-23 8:45 ` Daniel Vetter
2016-11-23 8:52 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2016-11-23 8:52 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2016-11-23 8:52 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2016-11-23 9:12 ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-11-23 9:12 ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-11-23 9:12 ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-11-23 9:49 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2016-11-23 9:49 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2016-11-23 9:49 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2016-11-23 10:05 ` Thomas Petazzoni
2016-11-23 10:05 ` Thomas Petazzoni
2016-12-22 20:36 ` Andy Shevchenko
2016-12-22 20:36 ` Andy Shevchenko
2016-12-22 20:36 ` Andy Shevchenko
2016-12-08 22:00 ` Sudip Mukherjee
2016-12-08 22:00 ` Sudip Mukherjee
2016-12-08 22:00 ` Sudip Mukherjee
2016-12-08 1:01 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2016-12-08 1:01 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2016-12-08 8:01 ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-12-08 8:01 ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-12-08 8:01 ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-12-08 21:23 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2016-12-08 21:23 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2016-12-08 21:23 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2016-12-08 21:43 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2016-12-08 21:43 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2016-12-08 21:43 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2016-12-09 8:13 ` Daniel Vetter
2016-12-09 8:13 ` Daniel Vetter
2016-12-09 8:13 ` Daniel Vetter
2016-12-13 7:36 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2016-12-13 7:36 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2016-12-08 10:10 ` Daniel Vetter
2016-12-08 10:10 ` Daniel Vetter
2016-12-08 10:10 ` Daniel Vetter
2016-12-08 12:15 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-12-08 12:15 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-12-08 12:15 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-12-08 14:02 ` Daniel Vetter
2016-12-08 14:02 ` Daniel Vetter
2016-12-08 14:02 ` Daniel Vetter
2016-12-08 14:22 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-12-08 14:22 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-12-08 14:37 ` Thomas Petazzoni
2016-12-08 14:37 ` Thomas Petazzoni
2016-12-08 14:44 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-12-08 14:44 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-12-08 14:44 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-12-08 15:21 ` Daniel Vetter
2016-12-08 15:21 ` Daniel Vetter
2016-12-08 15:21 ` Daniel Vetter
2016-12-08 21:34 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2016-12-08 21:34 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2016-12-08 21:34 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2016-12-08 21:57 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2016-12-08 21:57 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2016-12-08 21:57 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2016-12-09 8:34 ` Daniel Vetter
2016-12-09 8:34 ` Daniel Vetter
2016-12-09 8:34 ` Daniel Vetter
2016-12-09 8:41 ` Daniel Vetter
2016-12-09 8:41 ` Daniel Vetter
2016-12-09 8:41 ` Daniel Vetter
2016-12-09 11:48 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2016-12-09 11:48 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2016-12-09 11:48 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2016-12-09 13:35 ` Daniel Vetter
2016-12-09 13:35 ` Daniel Vetter
2016-12-09 13:35 ` Daniel Vetter
2016-12-09 20:27 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2016-12-09 20:27 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2016-12-09 20:27 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2016-12-13 7:18 ` Michel Dänzer
2016-12-13 7:18 ` Michel Dänzer
2016-12-13 7:18 ` Michel Dänzer
2016-12-09 11:44 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2016-12-09 11:44 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2016-12-09 11:44 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2016-12-09 12:33 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-12-09 12:33 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-12-09 12:33 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-12-09 13:19 ` Lucas Stach
2016-12-09 13:19 ` Lucas Stach
2016-12-09 13:19 ` Lucas Stach
2016-12-09 13:33 ` Daniel Vetter
2016-12-09 13:33 ` Daniel Vetter
2016-12-09 13:33 ` Daniel Vetter
2016-12-09 13:57 ` David Herrmann
2016-12-09 13:57 ` David Herrmann
2016-12-09 13:57 ` David Herrmann
2016-12-09 14:04 ` Daniel Vetter
2016-12-09 14:04 ` Daniel Vetter
2016-12-09 14:04 ` Daniel Vetter
2016-12-09 20:29 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2016-12-09 20:29 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2016-12-09 20:29 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2016-12-09 8:30 ` Daniel Vetter
2016-12-09 8:30 ` Daniel Vetter
2016-12-09 8:30 ` Daniel Vetter
2016-12-08 14:59 ` Jani Nikula
2016-12-08 14:59 ` Jani Nikula
2016-12-08 14:59 ` Jani Nikula
2016-12-08 14:22 ` Daniel Vetter
2016-12-08 14:22 ` Daniel Vetter
2016-12-08 14:22 ` Daniel Vetter
2016-12-08 21:28 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2016-12-08 21:28 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2016-12-08 21:28 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2016-12-09 0:08 ` Dave Airlie
2016-12-09 0:08 ` Dave Airlie
2016-12-09 0:08 ` Dave Airlie
2016-12-09 8:04 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-12-09 8:04 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-12-09 11:40 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt [this message]
2016-12-09 11:40 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2016-12-09 11:40 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2016-12-13 7:33 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2016-12-13 7:33 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2016-12-13 7:33 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2016-12-13 15:17 ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-12-13 15:17 ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-12-13 15:17 ` Laurent Pinchart
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