RE: Thoughts on the list...

RE: Thoughts on the list...

[Laverty, James]

Filter based on e-mail from selinux@tycho.nsa.gov

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From: Matt Schroeder [mailto:schroema@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 12:26 PM
To: selinux@tycho.nsa.gov
Subject: Thoughts on the list...


Am I the only one who wishes the email list daemon added some recognizeable
text to the subject so as to filter the email easier?  For instance,

Subject: [selinux] Re: blah blah subject

Just curious.





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The list is messed up... Repeating threads...

[Matt Schroeder]

We discussed and I solved my problem with email filters on March 6th.

The thread ended and now for whatever reason the entire thing is repeating.

It's not necessary to speak more of it.

--Matt

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Re: The list is messed up... Repeating threads...

[Martin Stricker]

Matt Schroeder wrote:
> 
> We discussed and I solved my problem with email filters on March 6th.
> 
> The thread ended and now for whatever reason the entire thing is
> repeating.

I found repeating postings on several lists (xml-interest@java.sun.com,
guinness-list@redhat.com, and now selinux@tycho.nsa.gov). Always there
was a server from rr.com involved running *surprise* the Micro$oft
Exchange server (see message headers). I haven't yet looked closer to
this.

Best regards,
Martin Stricker

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Re: The list is messed up... Repeating threads...

[Chris Crowther]

On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Martin Stricker wrote:

> was a server from rr.com involved running *surprise* the Micro$oft
> Exchange server (see message headers). I haven't yet looked closer to

	Just another reason for us all to be smug.

	I wonder if I could make Exim refuse to talk to Exchange Servers.

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Re: The list is messed up... Repeating threads...

[Mark Bodziony]

Hey
Before long we will all have a complete distribution of every subscriber if 
this keeps up.
At 07:36 AM 03/14/2001 -0500, Chris Crowther wrote:
>On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Martin Stricker wrote:
>
> > was a server from rr.com involved running *surprise* the Micro$oft
> > Exchange server (see message headers). I haven't yet looked closer to
>
>         Just another reason for us all to be smug.
>
>         I wonder if I could make Exim refuse to talk to Exchange Servers.
>
>--
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>shad0w@shad0w.org
>http://www.shad0w.org.uk/
>
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Re: The list is messed up... Repeating threads...

[JJohnson]

Prime example of why the Linux community isn't #1.  The community as a whole wastes *WAY TO MUCH TIME* worrying about microsoft.  How about instead of making Exim not talk to exchange servers you do somthing usefull, like fix bugs in code?  Or instead of inspecting mail headers to see if somebody is using Outlook or Eudora or some windows client you do somthing that benefits and helps the community.

Sheesh
-miah

On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 12:33:59PM -0500, Mark Bodziony wrote:
> Hey
> Before long we will all have a complete distribution of every subscriber if 
> this keeps up.
> At 07:36 AM 03/14/2001 -0500, Chris Crowther wrote:
> >On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Martin Stricker wrote:
> >
> > > was a server from rr.com involved running *surprise* the Micro$oft
> > > Exchange server (see message headers). I haven't yet looked closer to
> >
> >         Just another reason for us all to be smug.
> >
> >         I wonder if I could make Exim refuse to talk to Exchange Servers.
> >
> >--
> >Chris "_Shad0w_" Crowther
> >shad0w@shad0w.org
> >http://www.shad0w.org.uk/
> >
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Re: The list is messed up... Repeating threads...

[Jose Nazario]

On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, JJohnson wrote:

> Prime example of why the Linux community isn't #1.  The community as a
> whole wastes *WAY TO MUCH TIME* worrying about microsoft.  How about
> instead of making Exim not talk to exchange servers you do somthing
> usefull, like fix bugs in code?  Or instead of inspecting mail headers
> to see if somebody is using Outlook or Eudora or some windows client
> you do somthing that benefits and helps the community.

sorry, but i took the note to be something else entirely: maybe there is a
problem in the Exchange handling of mail that causes messages to be spit
out of the store repeatedly. i was wondering what was up with the several
repeated messages to the list, and i thought someone was offering a real
explanation.

but linux's failings are elsewhere, in my opinion, though your suggestions
are spot on.

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Re: The list is messed up... Repeating threads...

[Pedro Rosa]

JJohnson wrote:

> Prime example of why the Linux community isn't #1.  The community as a whole wastes *WAY TO MUCH TIME* worrying about microsoft.  How about instead of making Exim not talk to exchange servers you do somthing usefull, like fix bugs in code?  Or instead of inspecting mail headers to see if somebody is using Outlook or Eudora or some windows client you do somthing that benefits and helps the community.


What do you mean by Linux community isn't #1? Because it's not cool? 
Because it doesn't rule? Noooo, because it worries about M$.... Now, 
have you EVER programmed in Windows? Well, if you say that you did and 
it was GOLD GREAT then you surely deserve a medal for bravery, courage 
and outstanding. And I am referring only and exclusively to Windows and 
what I know about it from my own experience...

On what concerns the reaction of other programmers from OTHER OSes, then 
it is perfectly natural that, their _very_natural_ reaction to Windows 
would be like running from the Plague. Because there is no portability, 
no documentation (don't tell me about M$ Rosetta plates), and no 
guarantees that tomorrow your program will not be stopped by another 
"feature" introduced by another :"smart" programmer at Redmond.  The 
only way to overcome this is to live Windows, write in 
VB/ActiveX/C#/SOAP(-opera?) and wait for your early retirement due to 
growing debilism...

On what concerns helping the community by looking at Outlook headers... 
Why we should worry about them? Because M$ decided to add so many 
features to E-mail that today we are plagued by users, the police forces 
and the Pope to fight viruses, trojans and the utter desire to see the 
neighbor's wife in what Mother Nature dressed her at birth...

Note: Exim is NOT restricted to a Linux environment. In fact its 
developers advertise it as: "Exim is a message transfer agent (*MTA*) 
developed at the     University of Cambridge for use on Unix systems 
connected to the Internet." (from www.exim.org)


Ektanoor


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Re: The list is messed up... Repeating threads...

[Tom Bradford]

JJohnson wrote:
> Prime example of why the Linux community isn't #1.  The community as a whole wastes *WAY TO MUCH TIME* worrying about microsoft.  How about instead of making Exim not talk to exchange servers you do somthing usefull, like fix bugs in code?  Or instead of inspecting mail headers to see if somebody is using Outlook or Eudora or some windows client you do somthing that benefits and helps the community.

I don't agree with this.  While it's true that the Linux community
worries about Microsoft and their choke hold on the world, I don't think
they worry any more than the Mac, BSD, or Solaris communities.  Though
you wouldn't know it by reading all of the ranting on Slashdot, most of
the Linux community is doing highly beneficial work and they AREN'T
wasting time.

My favorite example of Microsoft's stance on security is the ability to
hit escape from the login dialog on Windows 9x and have full access to
the local machine.  So, if they're THAT lax on security for something as
simple as a login, why shouldn't people worry about how terrible their
security is in other products?

-- Tom

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Re: The list is messed up... Repeating threads...

[John Galt]

Thank RoadRunner.  Some guy on another list told me that their
austin mailer was queueing messages for weeks at a time and puking them
back out to everyone in the to/CC list...  It's allegedly fixed.

On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Matt Schroeder wrote:

>We discussed and I solved my problem with email filters on March 6th.
>
>The thread ended and now for whatever reason the entire thing is repeating.
>
>It's not necessary to speak more of it.
>
>--Matt
>
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