* Re: feature requests
2004-09-20 19:19 feature requests martin f krafft
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From: Mads Martin Joergensen @ 2004-09-20 19:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mlmmj
* martin f krafft <madduck@madduck.net> [Sep 20. 2004 21:19]:
> The next feature that I think is paramount is the ability to add
> aliases to an account, like majordomo2. With subscriber-only lists,
> it is a pain to be restricted to a single address for posting.
> mailman "solves" this by allowing subscriptions to be NOMAIL. this
> is also painful. majordomo2 is nice. you subscribe, then register
> a bunch of aliases with your address, which can also post.
High on the TODO is the ability when posting to a subscribers only
posting list to get a reply whether one wants to be able to post from
this address in the future. A simple reply to that mail will subscribe
the address to the nomail list which is already implemented, just not
released yet.
This way one can have one address subscribed getting the mail, and a
bunch of addresses subscribed without getting any mail.
--
Mads Martin Joergensen, http://mmj.dk
"Why make things difficult, when it is possible to make them cryptic
and totally illogical, with just a little bit more effort?"
-- A. P. J.
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From: martin f krafft @ 2004-09-20 19:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mlmmj
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also sprach Mads Martin Joergensen <mmj@mmj.dk> [2004.09.20.2133 +0200]:
> High on the TODO is the ability when posting to a subscribers only
> posting list to get a reply whether one wants to be able to post from
> this address in the future. A simple reply to that mail will subscribe
> the address to the nomail list which is already implemented, just not
> released yet.
Yeah, that would be nice.
However, please take care with automatic replies and the like.
Challenge Response systems (of which this is one) are very painful
if not done right; and I know not aof a single one done right.
http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Rants/challenge-response.html
> This way one can have one address subscribed getting the mail, and
> a bunch of addresses subscribed without getting any mail.
Please allow for manual setting of such aliases as well. The nice
thing about majordomo2's approach is that the addresses lose their
right to post when someone unsubscribes. I don't think you can do
that with the challenge system.
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From: Mads Martin Joergensen @ 2004-09-20 20:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mlmmj
* martin f krafft <madduck@madduck.net> [Sep 20. 2004 21:56]:
> > High on the TODO is the ability when posting to a subscribers only
> > posting list to get a reply whether one wants to be able to post from
> > this address in the future. A simple reply to that mail will subscribe
> > the address to the nomail list which is already implemented, just not
> > released yet.
>
> Yeah, that would be nice.
>
> However, please take care with automatic replies and the like.
> Challenge Response systems (of which this is one) are very painful
> if not done right; and I know not aof a single one done right.
>
> http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Rants/challenge-response.html
We send mails to the envelope from (Return-Path:) for confirmation of
subscription. I'm sure you want that?
> > This way one can have one address subscribed getting the mail, and
> > a bunch of addresses subscribed without getting any mail.
>
> Please allow for manual setting of such aliases as well. The nice
> thing about majordomo2's approach is that the addresses lose their
> right to post when someone unsubscribes. I don't think you can do
> that with the challenge system.
With mlmmj there's a seperate 'version' of the list, just like the
way digests are done in ezmlm.
If you send a mail to listname+subscribe-nomail@domain.tld you subscribe
to the list without getting any email from it ever. Handy if you read
your lists via the web, or through a news gateway.
So what could be done simply treat postings to a subscribers only
list from emails not subscribed, as if they were trying to subscribe to
the nomail version of it.
This way they only need one reply, and they are allowed to post from
this address.
To do it right, the mail that was originally sent, will of course be
posted to the list, if the person subscribes to the nomail version--a
little bit like moderation.
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"Why make things difficult, when it is possible to make them cryptic
and totally illogical, with just a little bit more effort?"
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From: martin f krafft @ 2004-09-20 20:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mlmmj
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also sprach Mads Martin Joergensen <mmj@mmj.dk> [2004.09.20.2204 +0200]:
> We send mails to the envelope from (Return-Path:) for confirmation
> of subscription. I'm sure you want that?
it does not matter. Automatic replies are evil. Moreover, too many
legitimate users have invalid Return-Paths. But it is a far better
means than using the From header. I am just saying: do not rely on
the challenges only.
> So what could be done simply treat postings to a subscribers only
> list from emails not subscribed, as if they were trying to
> subscribe to the nomail version of it.
>
> This way they only need one reply, and they are allowed to post
> from this address.
>
> To do it right, the mail that was originally sent, will of course
> be posted to the list, if the person subscribes to the nomail
> version--a little bit like moderation.
Wait, you said it would automatically subscribe them? I also think
that's a bad idea. If I get a confirmation request when I did not
consciously subscribe anywhere, I will delete it.
Whatever you do, please allow majordomo2-style aliases. You can do
challenges on top. Power-users will want to set aliases. In fact,
I have scripts to set it all up for me.
That said, I subscribed to the mailing list and have not received
a confirmation yet. Nor am I getting mail. What could be wrong?
The address I used was mlmmj=mmj.dk@mass.madduck.net
You are using cryptographic confirmations for subscriptions, right?
Thanks,
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From: Mads Martin Joergensen @ 2004-09-20 20:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mlmmj
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* martin f krafft <madduck@madduck.net> [Sep 20. 2004 22:10]:
> also sprach Mads Martin Joergensen <mmj@mmj.dk> [2004.09.20.2204 +0200]:
> > We send mails to the envelope from (Return-Path:) for confirmation
> > of subscription. I'm sure you want that?
>
> it does not matter. Automatic replies are evil. Moreover, too many
> legitimate users have invalid Return-Paths. But it is a far better
> means than using the From header. I am just saying: do not rely on
> the challenges only.
I'm not going to subscribe people without them confirming.
> > So what could be done simply treat postings to a subscribers only
> > list from emails not subscribed, as if they were trying to
> > subscribe to the nomail version of it.
> >
> > This way they only need one reply, and they are allowed to post
> > from this address.
> >
> > To do it right, the mail that was originally sent, will of course
> > be posted to the list, if the person subscribes to the nomail
> > version--a little bit like moderation.
> Wait, you said it would automatically subscribe them? I also think
> that's a bad idea. If I get a confirmation request when I did not
> consciously subscribe anywhere, I will delete it.
Sure, so delete it. But IF you want to be able to post from this address
you can reply to it, and be able to.
> Whatever you do, please allow majordomo2-style aliases. You can do
> challenges on top. Power-users will want to set aliases. In fact.
> I have scripts to set it all up for me.
What does majordomo2 style aliases look like?
> That said, I subscribed to the mailing list and have not received
> a confirmation yet. Nor am I getting mail. What could be wrong?
> The address I used was mlmmj=mmj.dk@mass.madduck.net
There was no mail from mass.madduck.net delivered to the mmj.dk MX, are
you sure you sent it to the right address? You can subscribe such an
email just fine.
> You are using cryptographic confirmations for subscriptions, right?
No.
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"Why make things difficult, when it is possible to make them cryptic
and totally illogical, with just a little bit more effort?"
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From: Mads Martin Joergensen @ 2004-09-20 20:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mlmmj
* Mads Martin Joergensen <mmj@mmj.dk> [Sep 20. 2004 22:24]:
> > That said, I subscribed to the mailing list and have not received
> > a confirmation yet. Nor am I getting mail. What could be wrong?
> > The address I used was mlmmj=mmj.dk@mass.madduck.net
>
> There was no mail from mass.madduck.net delivered to the mmj.dk MX, are
> you sure you sent it to the right address? You can subscribe such an
> email just fine.
Correction; it was recieved, but no To: header was present, so it was
discarded.
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"Why make things difficult, when it is possible to make them cryptic
and totally illogical, with just a little bit more effort?"
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From: martin f krafft @ 2004-09-20 20:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mlmmj
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also sprach Mads Martin Joergensen <mmj@mmj.dk> [2004.09.20.2228 +0200]:
> Correction; it was recieved, but no To: header was present, so it
> was discarded.
Is that necessary? I always use /usr/sbin/sendmail for mailing list
subscriptions. The To header is completely useless anyway, isn't it?
Why require it?
Anyway, I resent the subscription request.
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From: Mads Martin Joergensen @ 2004-09-20 20:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mlmmj
* martin f krafft <madduck@madduck.net> [Sep 20. 2004 22:38]:
> also sprach Mads Martin Joergensen <mmj@mmj.dk> [2004.09.20.2228 +0200]:
> > Correction; it was recieved, but no To: header was present, so it
> > was discarded.
>
> Is that necessary? I always use /usr/sbin/sendmail for mailing list
> subscriptions. The To header is completely useless anyway, isn't it?
> Why require it?
No, it's not not necessary. It's a bug--allthough quite harmless. It'll
be fixed in next version--we already use Delivered-To: for sanity
checks, so might as well use it exclusively if present.
> Anyway, I resent the subscription request.
Welcome :)
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"Why make things difficult, when it is possible to make them cryptic
and totally illogical, with just a little bit more effort?"
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From: martin f krafft @ 2004-09-20 20:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mlmmj
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also sprach Mads Martin Joergensen <mmj@mmj.dk> [2004.09.20.2254 +0200]:
> No, it's not not necessary. It's a bug--allthough quite harmless.
> It'll be fixed in next version--we already use Delivered-To: for
> sanity checks, so might as well use it exclusively if present.
Right. Please consider that Delivered-To is non-standard. Postfix
and qmail do it. exim and sendmail don't, I think.
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From: Mads Martin Joergensen @ 2004-09-20 21:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mlmmj
* martin f krafft <madduck@madduck.net> [Sep 20. 2004 22:59]:
> also sprach Mads Martin Joergensen <mmj@mmj.dk> [2004.09.20.2254 +0200]:
> > No, it's not not necessary. It's a bug--allthough quite harmless.
> > It'll be fixed in next version--we already use Delivered-To: for
> > sanity checks, so might as well use it exclusively if present.
>
> Right. Please consider that Delivered-To is non-standard. Postfix
> and qmail do it. exim and sendmail don't, I think.
Yeah, if it's there it's used, if not fallback to To: is done. It's a
shame it didn't make it into the standards.
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From: martin f krafft @ 2004-09-20 21:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mlmmj
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also sprach Mads Martin Joergensen <mmj@mmj.dk> [2004.09.20.2300 +0200]:
> Yeah, if it's there it's used, if not fallback to To: is done.
> It's a shame it didn't make it into the standards.
Why don't you just rely on the envelope recipient?
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From: Mads Martin Joergensen @ 2004-09-20 21:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mlmmj
* martin f krafft <madduck@madduck.net> [Sep 20. 2004 23:04]:
> also sprach Mads Martin Joergensen <mmj@mmj.dk> [2004.09.20.2300 +0200]:
> > Yeah, if it's there it's used, if not fallback to To: is done.
> > It's a shame it didn't make it into the standards.
>
> Why don't you just rely on the envelope recipient?
Which header is that? I've looked through the RFCs but didn't find it,
so please educate me, there's nothing I would rather do.
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From: martin f krafft @ 2004-09-20 21:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
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also sprach Mads Martin Joergensen <mmj@mmj.dk> [2004.09.20.2305 +0200]:
> Which header is that? I've looked through the RFCs but didn't find
> it, so please educate me, there's nothing I would rather do.
Return-Path, I think.
Alternatively, you could not go via /etc/aliases and pass recipient
as argument to a transport/director script.
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From: Mads Martin Joergensen @ 2004-09-20 21:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mlmmj
* martin f krafft <madduck@madduck.net> [Sep 20. 2004 23:15]:
> also sprach Mads Martin Joergensen <mmj@mmj.dk> [2004.09.20.2305 +0200]:
> > Which header is that? I've looked through the RFCs but didn't find
> > it, so please educate me, there's nothing I would rather do.
>
> Return-Path, I think.
Return-Path is the envelope from. RFC{,2}821.
> Alternatively, you could not go via /etc/aliases and pass recipient
> as argument to a transport/director script.
In that case you might as well set the Delivered-To: in case you don't
have, because in case you do have it, it's the envelope to.
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From: martin f krafft @ 2004-09-20 21:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
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also sprach Mads Martin Joergensen <mmj@mmj.dk> [2004.09.20.2317 +0200]:
> > Return-Path, I think.
>
> Return-Path is the envelope from. RFC{,2}821.
ah, right. sorry, i mixed that up.
> > Alternatively, you could not go via /etc/aliases and pass
> > recipient as argument to a transport/director script.
>
> In that case you might as well set the Delivered-To: in case you
> don't have, because in case you do have it, it's the envelope to.
True. But how will you make it work reliably with exim and sendmail
(and zmailer, I think)?
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From: Mads Martin Joergensen @ 2004-09-20 21:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mlmmj
* martin f krafft <madduck@madduck.net> [Sep 20. 2004 23:21]:
> > > Alternatively, you could not go via /etc/aliases and pass
> > > recipient as argument to a transport/director script.
> >
> > In that case you might as well set the Delivered-To: in case you
> > don't have, because in case you do have it, it's the envelope to.
>
> True. But how will you make it work reliably with exim and sendmail
> (and zmailer, I think)?
When Delivered-To: is not there, I'm relying on the To: header.
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From: Morten K. Poulsen @ 2004-09-21 10:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mlmmj
On Mon, Sep 20, 2004 at 11:21:12PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote:
> > > Alternatively, you could not go via /etc/aliases and pass
> > > recipient as argument to a transport/director script.
How do you do that? Remember, we need the extended part (+stuff) as
well.
> > In that case you might as well set the Delivered-To: in case you
> > don't have, because in case you do have it, it's the envelope to.
>
> True. But how will you make it work reliably with exim and sendmail
> (and zmailer, I think)?
When you configure your mail server for mlmmj, just make sure to set it
up to add a Delivered-To: header. Thats reliable.
Morten
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2004-09-20 19:19 feature requests martin f krafft
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2004-09-21 10:42 ` Morten K. Poulsen
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2004-09-21 14:54 ` Morten K. Poulsen
2004-09-21 14:59 ` martin f krafft
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From: martin f krafft @ 2004-09-21 14:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mlmmj
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also sprach Morten K. Poulsen <morten@afdelingp.dk> [2004.09.21.1242 +0200]:
> On Mon, Sep 20, 2004 at 11:21:12PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote:
> > > > Alternatively, you could not go via /etc/aliases and pass
> > > > recipient as argument to a transport/director script.
>
> How do you do that? Remember, we need the extended part (+stuff)
> as well.
The mailers can pass arguments to the transporters. For an example
of how I do it with postfix/mailman right now:
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-January/033730.html
> When you configure your mail server for mlmmj, just make sure to
> set it up to add a Delivered-To: header. Thats reliable.
I don't think sendmail/exim/zmailer can do that. But I would be
happy to be proven wrong.
In any case, this was just a heads-up. I am never going to use
anything but postfix anyway.
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2004-09-20 19:19 feature requests martin f krafft
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2004-09-21 14:22 ` martin f krafft
@ 2004-09-21 14:54 ` Morten K. Poulsen
2004-09-21 14:59 ` martin f krafft
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From: Morten K. Poulsen @ 2004-09-21 14:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mlmmj
On Tue, Sep 21, 2004 at 04:22:19PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote:
> The mailers can pass arguments to the transporters.
OK, so adding an optional argument to mlmmj-receive with the envelope-to
will solve this issue for all mailers. If your mailer does not support
adding Delivered-To: you can pass it as an argument and have
mlmmj-receive add it. That should work for all cases, right?
> > When you configure your mail server for mlmmj, just make sure to
> > set it up to add a Delivered-To: header. Thats reliable.
>
> I don't think sendmail/exim/zmailer can do that. But I would be
> happy to be proven wrong.
I know Exim can, but I think sendmail needs to be patched to do it. I
don't know about zmailer.
> In any case, this was just a heads-up. I am never going to use
> anything but postfix anyway.
Some people might be using sendmail, and we want them to be able to use
mlmmj too :-)
Morten
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@ 2004-09-21 14:59 ` martin f krafft
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From: martin f krafft @ 2004-09-21 14:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mlmmj
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also sprach Morten K. Poulsen <morten@afdelingp.dk> [2004.09.21.1654 +0200]:
> OK, so adding an optional argument to mlmmj-receive with the envelope-to
> will solve this issue for all mailers. If your mailer does not support
> adding Delivered-To: you can pass it as an argument and have
> mlmmj-receive add it. That should work for all cases, right?
Yeah, sure. And that argument should be available by the time of
/etc/aliases.db parsing.
> > In any case, this was just a heads-up. I am never going to use
> > anything but postfix anyway.
>
> Some people might be using sendmail, and we want them to be able
> to use mlmmj too :-)
Clearly a necessity. I mean, people seem to like retro-technology.
/me ducks
(Eric Allman is a good acquaintance of mine)
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