From: Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <lkcl@lkcl.net>
To: Darrel Goeddel <dgoeddel@TrustedCS.com>
Cc: "selinux@tycho.nsa.gov" <selinux@tycho.nsa.gov>,
Stephen Smalley <sds@epoch.ncsc.mil>,
Chad Hanson <chanson@TrustedCS.com>
Subject: Re: dynamic context transitions
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 22:18:09 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20041029211809.GJ8897@lkcl.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4182959B.4080503@trustedcs.com>
On Fri, Oct 29, 2004 at 02:10:19PM -0500, Darrel Goeddel wrote:
> The motivator behind this proposal is to provide a mechanism for a
> trusted application (one written to leverage the security policy) to be
> able to remove unnecessary privileges when they are no longer needed, as
> well as temporarily raise the privilege level to perform certain
> operations and then return to a less privileged level.
in principle i like it: in practice i believe it to be seriously
fraught unless tightly controlled.
how can you guarantee the circumstances under which security
"escalation" is done?
ultimately, i believe it far more sensible for applications to be
rewritten to take advantage of exec() and the abundantly clear
context division that entails.
the less-privileged program exec()s a command which, via
domain_auto_trans, automatically grants that command more
privileges.
if speed is of paramount concern, then the "more" privileged
executable can be made to run in advance, and dormant: file
handles can be passed over unix domain sockets between the
"less" privileged and the "more" privileged program (or
vice-versa).
l.
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2004-10-29 21:07 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 138+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-10-29 19:10 dynamic context transitions Darrel Goeddel
2004-10-29 21:18 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton [this message]
2004-10-30 9:06 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-01 13:20 ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-01 14:10 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-01 16:23 ` Darrel Goeddel
2004-11-01 16:39 ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-01 18:45 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-01 20:10 ` James Morris
2004-11-01 20:35 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-01 20:25 ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-01 21:00 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-01 20:50 ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-01 22:21 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-08 14:42 ` Russell Coker
[not found] ` <1100395104.13794.12.camel@piglett.bartlett.house>
2004-11-14 11:15 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
[not found] ` <1100431351.13794.510.camel@piglett.bartlett.house>
[not found] ` <20041114162453.GN5031@lkcl.net>
[not found] ` <1100449615.30740.14.camel@localhost.localdomain>
2004-11-14 21:54 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
[not found] ` <20041201231224.GD5862@Favog.ubiqx.mn.org>
2004-12-02 1:46 ` Russell Coker
2004-11-08 14:39 ` Russell Coker
[not found] ` <20041203211212.GA5243@lkcl.net>
[not found] ` <16817.7759.874421.597181@samba.org>
2004-12-04 11:39 ` Russell Coker
2004-11-01 21:27 ` Karl MacMillan
2004-11-01 22:33 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-02 0:25 ` Karl MacMillan
2004-11-02 13:43 ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-02 14:16 ` Karl MacMillan
2004-11-02 14:19 ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-03 20:21 ` Colin Walters
2004-11-25 19:48 ` Russell Coker
2004-11-25 21:35 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-26 3:28 ` Russell Coker
2004-11-26 19:23 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-11-26 18:58 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-11-02 2:18 ` Colin Walters
2004-11-02 9:08 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-02 13:59 ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-02 14:59 ` Colin Walters
2004-11-01 16:45 ` Colin Walters
2004-11-01 18:23 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-10-30 2:41 ` James Morris
2004-10-31 22:47 ` Frank Mayer
2004-11-01 13:37 ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-02 1:03 ` Karl MacMillan
2004-11-02 15:33 ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-02 17:39 ` Karl MacMillan
2004-11-02 18:02 ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-02 21:33 ` Karl MacMillan
2004-11-03 13:53 ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-03 15:08 ` Karl MacMillan
2004-11-25 20:12 ` Russell Coker
2004-11-03 17:53 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-03 18:27 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-01 15:51 ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-01 16:56 ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-01 21:44 ` Karl MacMillan
2004-11-12 18:42 ` Amy L Herzog
2004-11-15 14:07 ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-19 13:48 ` Joshua D. Guttman
2004-11-19 14:33 ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-19 16:29 ` Darrel Goeddel
2004-11-19 17:17 ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-24 15:30 ` Darrel Goeddel
2004-11-24 15:31 ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-29 14:54 ` Darrel Goeddel
2004-11-29 21:24 ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-29 23:41 ` Darrel Goeddel
2004-11-30 12:58 ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-30 15:14 ` Darrel Goeddel
2004-11-30 16:02 ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-30 18:27 ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-30 21:00 ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-12 18:24 ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-12 20:58 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-11-01 14:11 Chad Hanson
2004-11-01 17:14 Chad Hanson
2004-11-01 20:04 ` Frank Mayer
2004-11-01 20:28 ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-01 18:28 Chad Hanson
2004-11-01 20:47 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-01 20:55 ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-01 22:58 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-02 13:47 ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-02 14:06 ` Frank Mayer
2004-11-02 14:22 ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-02 14:36 ` Frank Mayer
2004-11-03 18:47 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-02 14:13 ` Frank Mayer
2004-11-03 15:38 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-02 19:30 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-11-03 15:55 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-03 16:03 ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-01 21:33 Chad Hanson
2004-11-02 13:31 ` Frank Mayer
2004-11-23 5:53 ` Russell Coker
2004-11-01 21:45 Chad Hanson
2004-11-02 15:25 Chad Hanson
2004-11-02 18:49 Chad Hanson
2004-11-02 21:34 ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-02 22:06 ` Karl MacMillan
2004-11-03 15:36 Chad Hanson
2004-11-03 15:46 ` Karl MacMillan
2004-11-03 17:26 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-04 16:50 ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-04 17:25 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-04 19:46 ` James Morris
2004-11-05 5:31 ` Colin Walters
2004-11-05 12:49 ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-05 13:01 ` Frank Mayer
2004-11-05 13:13 ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-05 15:55 ` Frank Mayer
2004-11-05 16:33 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-05 16:41 ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-05 17:07 ` Frank Mayer
2004-11-05 17:48 ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-05 16:01 ` Colin Walters
2004-11-05 12:52 ` Frank Mayer
2004-11-05 13:11 ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-05 15:04 ` Darrel Goeddel
2004-11-05 15:20 ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-05 15:33 ` Karl MacMillan
2004-11-05 15:35 ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-05 15:34 ` Darrel Goeddel
2004-11-05 16:01 ` Frank Mayer
2004-11-05 16:29 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-05 16:44 ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-03 18:00 Chad Hanson
2004-11-14 20:23 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-15 13:25 ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-15 14:34 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-15 14:52 ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-15 1:57 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-15 13:29 ` Stephen Smalley
2005-02-15 21:34 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-02-15 22:21 ` Darrel Goeddel
2005-02-15 22:56 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-02-16 13:05 ` Stephen Smalley
2005-02-16 14:08 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-02-16 14:00 ` Stephen Smalley
2005-02-16 15:19 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
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