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From: Darrel Goeddel <dgoeddel@TrustedCS.com>
To: Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <lkcl@lkcl.net>
Cc: Stephen Smalley <sds@epoch.ncsc.mil>,
	"selinux@tycho.nsa.gov" <selinux@tycho.nsa.gov>,
	Chad Hanson <chanson@TrustedCS.com>,
	James Morris <jmorris@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: dynamic context transitions
Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 10:23:10 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <418662EE.5090001@trustedcs.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20041101141025.GZ8897@lkcl.net>

James,
     I am hoping that this response will also address your question of 
applicability outside of the MLS policy.

Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
>  this proposal is a little bit like seteuid-for-selinux, only not
>  really, because seteuid has the ability to switch to any uid and then
>  to any uid after that, ad infinitum.
> 

That is correct.  We are looking at a well-defined (via the policy) set of 
available type transitions.  Note that you can also specify a one-way dynamic 
transition as well (type1_t can dynamically transition to type2_t, but type2_t 
has no dynamic transitions available).  This will allow a daemon process to 
initialize itself with one set of access rights (bind ports, read conf files, 
etc.), and then lock itself into a domain with less access rights for the 
duration of its execution.  This is similar, but *much* more powerful than, 
changing the uid, or even using the libcap interface to drop specific capabilities.

>  i wonder if it would help at all with samba's predicament?
> 
>  would it be possible to use this to have an smbd process
>  transition to a user-based-file-access-only-context and then
>  back-to-"root-like"-with-no-file-access-allowed?
> 
> ...
> 
>  and also would it be possible to use this proposal to track
>  what famd does, too?
> 

I have looked back on the threads involving smbd and famd and it does indeed 
seem that dynamic transitions may help to bring those applications to a 
"SELinux-aware" state.  For instance, famd would be able to transition from its 
"standard domain" to a domain which would have the same file access as the user. 
  Once in this domain, it would be able to leverage the kernel's access 
decisions because they will computed against the access rights of the user's 
type.  I am not really familiar with the architecture and the specific problems 
of the daemons, so I don't want to throw out any specific advice on using 
dynamic transitions to SELinuxify the programs.

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  reply	other threads:[~2004-11-01 16:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 138+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-10-29 19:10 dynamic context transitions Darrel Goeddel
2004-10-29 21:18 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-10-30  9:06   ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-01 13:20     ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-01 14:10       ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-01 16:23         ` Darrel Goeddel [this message]
2004-11-01 16:39           ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-01 18:45           ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-01 20:10           ` James Morris
2004-11-01 20:35             ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-01 20:25               ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-01 21:00                 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-01 20:50                   ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-01 22:21                     ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-08 14:42                 ` Russell Coker
     [not found]                   ` <1100395104.13794.12.camel@piglett.bartlett.house>
2004-11-14 11:15                     ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
     [not found]                       ` <1100431351.13794.510.camel@piglett.bartlett.house>
     [not found]                         ` <20041114162453.GN5031@lkcl.net>
     [not found]                           ` <1100449615.30740.14.camel@localhost.localdomain>
2004-11-14 21:54                             ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
     [not found]                               ` <20041201231224.GD5862@Favog.ubiqx.mn.org>
2004-12-02  1:46                                 ` Russell Coker
2004-11-08 14:39               ` Russell Coker
     [not found]               ` <20041203211212.GA5243@lkcl.net>
     [not found]                 ` <16817.7759.874421.597181@samba.org>
2004-12-04 11:39                   ` Russell Coker
2004-11-01 21:27           ` Karl MacMillan
2004-11-01 22:33             ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-02  0:25               ` Karl MacMillan
2004-11-02 13:43             ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-02 14:16               ` Karl MacMillan
2004-11-02 14:19                 ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-03 20:21                   ` Colin Walters
2004-11-25 19:48                 ` Russell Coker
2004-11-25 21:35                   ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-26  3:28                     ` Russell Coker
2004-11-26 19:23                       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-11-26 18:58                     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-11-02  2:18           ` Colin Walters
2004-11-02  9:08             ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-02 13:59             ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-02 14:59               ` Colin Walters
2004-11-01 16:45         ` Colin Walters
2004-11-01 18:23           ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-10-30  2:41 ` James Morris
2004-10-31 22:47 ` Frank Mayer
2004-11-01 13:37   ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-02  1:03     ` Karl MacMillan
2004-11-02 15:33       ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-02 17:39         ` Karl MacMillan
2004-11-02 18:02           ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-02 21:33             ` Karl MacMillan
2004-11-03 13:53               ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-03 15:08                 ` Karl MacMillan
2004-11-25 20:12               ` Russell Coker
2004-11-03 17:53         ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-03 18:27         ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-01 15:51 ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-01 16:56 ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-01 21:44   ` Karl MacMillan
2004-11-12 18:42   ` Amy L Herzog
2004-11-15 14:07     ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-19 13:48       ` Joshua D. Guttman
2004-11-19 14:33         ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-19 16:29           ` Darrel Goeddel
2004-11-19 17:17             ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-24 15:30               ` Darrel Goeddel
2004-11-24 15:31                 ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-29 14:54                   ` Darrel Goeddel
2004-11-29 21:24                     ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-29 23:41                       ` Darrel Goeddel
2004-11-30 12:58                         ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-30 15:14                           ` Darrel Goeddel
2004-11-30 16:02                             ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-30 18:27                               ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-30 21:00                                 ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-12 18:24 ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-12 20:58   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-11-01 14:11 Chad Hanson
2004-11-01 17:14 Chad Hanson
2004-11-01 20:04 ` Frank Mayer
2004-11-01 20:28   ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-01 18:28 Chad Hanson
2004-11-01 20:47 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-01 20:55 ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-01 22:58   ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-02 13:47     ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-02 14:06       ` Frank Mayer
2004-11-02 14:22         ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-02 14:36           ` Frank Mayer
2004-11-03 18:47             ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-02 14:13       ` Frank Mayer
2004-11-03 15:38       ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-02 19:30     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-11-03 15:55       ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-03 16:03         ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-01 21:33 Chad Hanson
2004-11-02 13:31 ` Frank Mayer
2004-11-23  5:53   ` Russell Coker
2004-11-01 21:45 Chad Hanson
2004-11-02 15:25 Chad Hanson
2004-11-02 18:49 Chad Hanson
2004-11-02 21:34 ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-02 22:06 ` Karl MacMillan
2004-11-03 15:36 Chad Hanson
2004-11-03 15:46 ` Karl MacMillan
2004-11-03 17:26 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-04 16:50   ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-04 17:25     ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-04 19:46     ` James Morris
2004-11-05  5:31     ` Colin Walters
2004-11-05 12:49       ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-05 13:01         ` Frank Mayer
2004-11-05 13:13           ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-05 15:55             ` Frank Mayer
2004-11-05 16:33               ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-05 16:41               ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-05 17:07                 ` Frank Mayer
2004-11-05 17:48                   ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-05 16:01         ` Colin Walters
2004-11-05 12:52       ` Frank Mayer
2004-11-05 13:11         ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-05 15:04         ` Darrel Goeddel
2004-11-05 15:20           ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-05 15:33             ` Karl MacMillan
2004-11-05 15:35               ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-05 15:34             ` Darrel Goeddel
2004-11-05 16:01           ` Frank Mayer
2004-11-05 16:29           ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-05 16:44             ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-03 18:00 Chad Hanson
2004-11-14 20:23 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-15 13:25 ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-15 14:34   ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-15 14:52     ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-15  1:57 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-15 13:29 ` Stephen Smalley
2005-02-15 21:34 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-02-15 22:21 ` Darrel Goeddel
2005-02-15 22:56   ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-02-16 13:05 ` Stephen Smalley
2005-02-16 14:08   ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-02-16 14:00     ` Stephen Smalley
2005-02-16 15:19       ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton

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