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From: Karl MacMillan <kmacmillan@tresys.com>
To: Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <lkcl@lkcl.net>
Cc: Darrel Goeddel <dgoeddel@TrustedCS.com>,
	Stephen Smalley <sds@epoch.ncsc.mil>,
	SELinux List <SELinux@tycho.nsa.gov>,
	Chad Hanson <chanson@TrustedCS.com>,
	James Morris <jmorris@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: dynamic context transitions
Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 19:25:58 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4186D416.8010903@tresys.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20041101223306.GO9643@lkcl.net>

Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:

>On Mon, Nov 01, 2004 at 04:27:40PM -0500, Karl MacMillan wrote:
>  
>
>>Dropping privileges after startup can already be accomplished with
>>conditional policies, though it requires that only one process be
>>running in a given domain.
>>    
>>
> 
> sorry to be a pain but i feel a need to clarify: is that most
> definitely the case?
>  
>

Yes. There is no "drop priveleges" functions - instead a boolean can be 
defined that covers a section of policy that allows a daemon the access 
necessary for startup. After startup, that policy can be disabled via 
the boolean. Because this access is defined for the entire domain 
(type), then a change in policy effects all processes running in that 
domain. That means that :

> to illustrate, which of these is true:
>
> - if i have two processes in a given domain, and one process
>   runs the "drop privileges" selinux function, the process calling
>   the function has its privileges "dropped" but the other process
>   retains the _original_ privileges.
>
>  
>
This is not the case.

> - if i have two or more processes in a given domain, and one process
>   runs the "drop privileges" selinux function, _all_ processes in that
>   domain have their its privileges "dropped".
>
>  
>

This is the case.

> - something indeterminate happens and it all goes pear-shaped.
>
>  
>

It is definitely deterministic. A final note, there are certain types of 
access that cannot be revoked by a change in policy, most notably access 
to mmapped files. In generaly, this is probably not a problem, but it 
should be kept in mind.

Karl

> l.
>  
>


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  reply	other threads:[~2004-11-02  0:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 138+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-10-29 19:10 dynamic context transitions Darrel Goeddel
2004-10-29 21:18 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-10-30  9:06   ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-01 13:20     ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-01 14:10       ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-01 16:23         ` Darrel Goeddel
2004-11-01 16:39           ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-01 18:45           ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-01 20:10           ` James Morris
2004-11-01 20:35             ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-01 20:25               ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-01 21:00                 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-01 20:50                   ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-01 22:21                     ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-08 14:42                 ` Russell Coker
     [not found]                   ` <1100395104.13794.12.camel@piglett.bartlett.house>
2004-11-14 11:15                     ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
     [not found]                       ` <1100431351.13794.510.camel@piglett.bartlett.house>
     [not found]                         ` <20041114162453.GN5031@lkcl.net>
     [not found]                           ` <1100449615.30740.14.camel@localhost.localdomain>
2004-11-14 21:54                             ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
     [not found]                               ` <20041201231224.GD5862@Favog.ubiqx.mn.org>
2004-12-02  1:46                                 ` Russell Coker
2004-11-08 14:39               ` Russell Coker
     [not found]               ` <20041203211212.GA5243@lkcl.net>
     [not found]                 ` <16817.7759.874421.597181@samba.org>
2004-12-04 11:39                   ` Russell Coker
2004-11-01 21:27           ` Karl MacMillan
2004-11-01 22:33             ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-02  0:25               ` Karl MacMillan [this message]
2004-11-02 13:43             ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-02 14:16               ` Karl MacMillan
2004-11-02 14:19                 ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-03 20:21                   ` Colin Walters
2004-11-25 19:48                 ` Russell Coker
2004-11-25 21:35                   ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-26  3:28                     ` Russell Coker
2004-11-26 19:23                       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-11-26 18:58                     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-11-02  2:18           ` Colin Walters
2004-11-02  9:08             ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-02 13:59             ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-02 14:59               ` Colin Walters
2004-11-01 16:45         ` Colin Walters
2004-11-01 18:23           ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-10-30  2:41 ` James Morris
2004-10-31 22:47 ` Frank Mayer
2004-11-01 13:37   ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-02  1:03     ` Karl MacMillan
2004-11-02 15:33       ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-02 17:39         ` Karl MacMillan
2004-11-02 18:02           ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-02 21:33             ` Karl MacMillan
2004-11-03 13:53               ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-03 15:08                 ` Karl MacMillan
2004-11-25 20:12               ` Russell Coker
2004-11-03 17:53         ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-03 18:27         ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-01 15:51 ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-01 16:56 ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-01 21:44   ` Karl MacMillan
2004-11-12 18:42   ` Amy L Herzog
2004-11-15 14:07     ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-19 13:48       ` Joshua D. Guttman
2004-11-19 14:33         ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-19 16:29           ` Darrel Goeddel
2004-11-19 17:17             ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-24 15:30               ` Darrel Goeddel
2004-11-24 15:31                 ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-29 14:54                   ` Darrel Goeddel
2004-11-29 21:24                     ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-29 23:41                       ` Darrel Goeddel
2004-11-30 12:58                         ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-30 15:14                           ` Darrel Goeddel
2004-11-30 16:02                             ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-30 18:27                               ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-30 21:00                                 ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-12 18:24 ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-12 20:58   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-11-01 14:11 Chad Hanson
2004-11-01 17:14 Chad Hanson
2004-11-01 20:04 ` Frank Mayer
2004-11-01 20:28   ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-01 18:28 Chad Hanson
2004-11-01 20:47 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-01 20:55 ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-01 22:58   ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-02 13:47     ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-02 14:06       ` Frank Mayer
2004-11-02 14:22         ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-02 14:36           ` Frank Mayer
2004-11-03 18:47             ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-02 14:13       ` Frank Mayer
2004-11-03 15:38       ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-02 19:30     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-11-03 15:55       ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-03 16:03         ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-01 21:33 Chad Hanson
2004-11-02 13:31 ` Frank Mayer
2004-11-23  5:53   ` Russell Coker
2004-11-01 21:45 Chad Hanson
2004-11-02 15:25 Chad Hanson
2004-11-02 18:49 Chad Hanson
2004-11-02 21:34 ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-02 22:06 ` Karl MacMillan
2004-11-03 15:36 Chad Hanson
2004-11-03 15:46 ` Karl MacMillan
2004-11-03 17:26 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-04 16:50   ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-04 17:25     ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-04 19:46     ` James Morris
2004-11-05  5:31     ` Colin Walters
2004-11-05 12:49       ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-05 13:01         ` Frank Mayer
2004-11-05 13:13           ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-05 15:55             ` Frank Mayer
2004-11-05 16:33               ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-05 16:41               ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-05 17:07                 ` Frank Mayer
2004-11-05 17:48                   ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-05 16:01         ` Colin Walters
2004-11-05 12:52       ` Frank Mayer
2004-11-05 13:11         ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-05 15:04         ` Darrel Goeddel
2004-11-05 15:20           ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-05 15:33             ` Karl MacMillan
2004-11-05 15:35               ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-05 15:34             ` Darrel Goeddel
2004-11-05 16:01           ` Frank Mayer
2004-11-05 16:29           ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-05 16:44             ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-03 18:00 Chad Hanson
2004-11-14 20:23 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-15 13:25 ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-15 14:34   ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-15 14:52     ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-15  1:57 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-15 13:29 ` Stephen Smalley
2005-02-15 21:34 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-02-15 22:21 ` Darrel Goeddel
2005-02-15 22:56   ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-02-16 13:05 ` Stephen Smalley
2005-02-16 14:08   ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-02-16 14:00     ` Stephen Smalley
2005-02-16 15:19       ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton

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