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From: Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <lkcl@lkcl.net>
To: Chad Hanson <chanson@TrustedCS.com>
Cc: Stephen Smalley <sds@epoch.ncsc.mil>,
	Darrel Goeddel <DGoeddel@TrustedCS.com>,
	selinux@tycho.nsa.gov, Frank Mayer <mayerf@tresys.com>
Subject: Re: dynamic context transitions
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 20:47:47 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20041101204747.GK9643@lkcl.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <36282A1733C57546BE392885C06185924D9100@chaos.tcs.tcs-sec.com>

On Mon, Nov 01, 2004 at 01:28:57PM -0500, Chad Hanson wrote:
> > able to legitimately collapse multiple domains into a single 
> > equivalence
> > class for information flow analysis purposes, I don't see how this is
> > legitimate for levels.  If they were separate levels in the 
> > first place,
> > then they should be separate equivalence classes for 
> > information flow. 
> > Can you clarify?
> 
> Let me try to give some background.
> 
> The ability for a process to perform actions at multiple MLS labels exists
                             
 an equivalent to seteuid has been successfully resisted for
 some time (on the basis that applications should be redesigned
 to use exec, thereby gaining quite a large benefit in secure
 design irrespective of the use of selinux).

 surely the same principle / lesson should apply to MLS?

 namely that a process _should not_ be able to perform actions at
 multiple MLS labels - that a single process _should not_ be able to
 transition between MLS labels, and that the only boundary on which MLS
 label transitions should be allowed is on an exec()?

 so, the million dollar question is: what is it about MLS that
 make it _necessary_ for individual processes to do as you say?
 [perform actions at multiple MLS labels].

 l.

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  reply	other threads:[~2004-11-01 20:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 138+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-11-01 18:28 dynamic context transitions Chad Hanson
2004-11-01 20:47 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton [this message]
2004-11-01 20:55 ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-01 22:58   ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-02 13:47     ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-02 14:06       ` Frank Mayer
2004-11-02 14:22         ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-02 14:36           ` Frank Mayer
2004-11-03 18:47             ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-02 14:13       ` Frank Mayer
2004-11-03 15:38       ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-02 19:30     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-11-03 15:55       ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-03 16:03         ` Stephen Smalley
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-02-15 21:34 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-02-15 22:21 ` Darrel Goeddel
2005-02-15 22:56   ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-02-16 13:05 ` Stephen Smalley
2005-02-16 14:08   ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-02-16 14:00     ` Stephen Smalley
2005-02-16 15:19       ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-15  1:57 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-15 13:29 ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-14 20:23 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-15 13:25 ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-15 14:34   ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-15 14:52     ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-03 18:00 Chad Hanson
2004-11-03 15:36 Chad Hanson
2004-11-03 15:46 ` Karl MacMillan
2004-11-03 17:26 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-04 16:50   ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-04 17:25     ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-04 19:46     ` James Morris
2004-11-05  5:31     ` Colin Walters
2004-11-05 12:49       ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-05 13:01         ` Frank Mayer
2004-11-05 13:13           ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-05 15:55             ` Frank Mayer
2004-11-05 16:33               ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-05 16:41               ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-05 17:07                 ` Frank Mayer
2004-11-05 17:48                   ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-05 16:01         ` Colin Walters
2004-11-05 12:52       ` Frank Mayer
2004-11-05 13:11         ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-05 15:04         ` Darrel Goeddel
2004-11-05 15:20           ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-05 15:33             ` Karl MacMillan
2004-11-05 15:35               ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-05 15:34             ` Darrel Goeddel
2004-11-05 16:01           ` Frank Mayer
2004-11-05 16:29           ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-05 16:44             ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-02 18:49 Chad Hanson
2004-11-02 21:34 ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-02 22:06 ` Karl MacMillan
2004-11-02 15:25 Chad Hanson
2004-11-01 21:45 Chad Hanson
2004-11-01 21:33 Chad Hanson
2004-11-02 13:31 ` Frank Mayer
2004-11-23  5:53   ` Russell Coker
2004-11-01 17:14 Chad Hanson
2004-11-01 20:04 ` Frank Mayer
2004-11-01 20:28   ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-01 14:11 Chad Hanson
2004-10-29 19:10 Darrel Goeddel
2004-10-29 21:18 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-10-30  9:06   ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-01 13:20     ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-01 14:10       ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-01 16:23         ` Darrel Goeddel
2004-11-01 16:39           ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-01 18:45           ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-01 20:10           ` James Morris
2004-11-01 20:35             ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-01 20:25               ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-01 21:00                 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-01 20:50                   ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-01 22:21                     ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-08 14:42                 ` Russell Coker
     [not found]                   ` <1100395104.13794.12.camel@piglett.bartlett.house>
2004-11-14 11:15                     ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
     [not found]                       ` <1100431351.13794.510.camel@piglett.bartlett.house>
     [not found]                         ` <20041114162453.GN5031@lkcl.net>
     [not found]                           ` <1100449615.30740.14.camel@localhost.localdomain>
2004-11-14 21:54                             ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
     [not found]                               ` <20041201231224.GD5862@Favog.ubiqx.mn.org>
2004-12-02  1:46                                 ` Russell Coker
2004-11-08 14:39               ` Russell Coker
     [not found]               ` <20041203211212.GA5243@lkcl.net>
     [not found]                 ` <16817.7759.874421.597181@samba.org>
2004-12-04 11:39                   ` Russell Coker
2004-11-01 21:27           ` Karl MacMillan
2004-11-01 22:33             ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-02  0:25               ` Karl MacMillan
2004-11-02 13:43             ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-02 14:16               ` Karl MacMillan
2004-11-02 14:19                 ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-03 20:21                   ` Colin Walters
2004-11-25 19:48                 ` Russell Coker
2004-11-25 21:35                   ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-26  3:28                     ` Russell Coker
2004-11-26 19:23                       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-11-26 18:58                     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-11-02  2:18           ` Colin Walters
2004-11-02  9:08             ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-02 13:59             ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-02 14:59               ` Colin Walters
2004-11-01 16:45         ` Colin Walters
2004-11-01 18:23           ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-10-30  2:41 ` James Morris
2004-10-31 22:47 ` Frank Mayer
2004-11-01 13:37   ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-02  1:03     ` Karl MacMillan
2004-11-02 15:33       ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-02 17:39         ` Karl MacMillan
2004-11-02 18:02           ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-02 21:33             ` Karl MacMillan
2004-11-03 13:53               ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-03 15:08                 ` Karl MacMillan
2004-11-25 20:12               ` Russell Coker
2004-11-03 17:53         ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-03 18:27         ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-11-01 15:51 ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-01 16:56 ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-01 21:44   ` Karl MacMillan
2004-11-12 18:42   ` Amy L Herzog
2004-11-15 14:07     ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-19 13:48       ` Joshua D. Guttman
2004-11-19 14:33         ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-19 16:29           ` Darrel Goeddel
2004-11-19 17:17             ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-24 15:30               ` Darrel Goeddel
2004-11-24 15:31                 ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-29 14:54                   ` Darrel Goeddel
2004-11-29 21:24                     ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-29 23:41                       ` Darrel Goeddel
2004-11-30 12:58                         ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-30 15:14                           ` Darrel Goeddel
2004-11-30 16:02                             ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-30 18:27                               ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-30 21:00                                 ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-12 18:24 ` Stephen Smalley
2004-11-12 20:58   ` Valdis.Kletnieks

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